Ghostface1982 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Palm strikes will do nothing to stop the leglocks of guys like Tonon and Cummings. They tend to be quick heel hook type subs that don't leave much time to strike against. Â Wasn't Metamoris offering exclusive contracts not so long ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 12, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 12, 2016 EBI is a very high level show regardless. I like that Eddie actually had ideas that's trying to broaden the appeal of BJJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 EBI is a very high level show regardless. I like that Eddie actually had ideas that's trying to broaden the appeal of BJJ. Â It's mainly the scoring system that needs altered, Ebb, not the actual sport itself. EBI is virtually 90% of the way there with their current system that encourages more submission-based guys to go for the attack. Â The striking aspect is something I'm not keen on, as it changes the actual framework of the BJJ match in itself, leading to me asking when it eventually becomes a Pancreas-style hybrid rather than actual BJJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostface1982 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 BJJ outside of sub only is a dire affair. The points system is largely to blame for that. Not many competitors are willing to risk going balls out for the submission to get swept on the counter and held down for the points victory. Â Lower level is even worse, I've saw people win entire brackets with just a decent double leg and a pass to side control, no submission attempt at all throughout the entirety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 BJJ outside of sub only is a dire affair. The points system is largely to blame for that. Not many competitors are willing to risk going balls out for the submission to get swept on the counter and held down for the points victory.  Lower level is even worse, I've saw people win entire brackets with just a decent double leg and a pass to side control, no submission attempt at all throughout the entirety.  C'mon, you trying to tell me that you've never utilised the infamous seatbelt position until your opponent either gets tired struggling or simply gives you his neck for the finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostface1982 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Being the skinny runt I am, I was usually on the bottom being smothered by some fatties sweaty Gi ☹ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 13, 2016 Â Â EBI is a very high level show regardless. I like that Eddie actually had ideas that's trying to broaden the appeal of BJJ. It's mainly the scoring system that needs altered, Ebb, not the actual sport itself. EBI is virtually 90% of the way there with their current system that encourages more submission-based guys to go for the attack. Yeh that's the big issue. Guess you have the purists who want fights to just play out as they would naturally, then there's the people of the mindset that they need to create a system which makes it more exciting. Â Im still yet to sit through an entire show, i may try to the next EBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I have no problem with them creating a hybrid style event, but it's not a BJJ tournament then. BJJ & grappling tournaments and events don't include strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 13, 2016 I get that, i wouldnt have an issue with them having hybrid style rule fights within a BJJ show though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I get that, i wouldnt have an issue with them having hybrid style rule fights within a BJJ show though. Â Where that may pose problems is that we've had a push from the EBI (and other organisations) in trying to pay BJJ guys well enough that they can compete for a living. How much money would be coming out the pot to pay these "hybrid fighters" to take part? If we're talking actual UFC talent then they won't be coming cheap is my guess. Â Will that lead to the actual BJJ guys becoming secondary, financially as well as on the card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 15, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 15, 2016 Id not be surprised if many of the straight BJJ guys would prefer the combat rules also. Â Also, whats the problem with MMA fighters taking part? A high portion of them are BJJ based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Id not be surprised if many of the straight BJJ guys would prefer the combat rules also. Â Also, whats the problem with MMA fighters taking part? A high portion of them are BJJ based. Â There's no problem with them taking part in a BJJ competition, but when you change the rules to allow strikes and we see more MMA guys involved it's going to quickly change to a watered down version of MMA, isn't it? Which leads me to ask, what's the point? Â MMA fans for the most part don't enjoy a fight when it hits the ground for too long as it is, so why would they enjoy tuning in to see a UFC fighter in what is basically a UFC fight where there are only slaps allowed and most of the action takes place on the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 16, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 I see your point. Â The combat jiu jitsu rules could make it a lot of fun to watch though, i'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheapheat Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 I saw an interview with Eddie Bravo and he seeemed to say the compatitions would stay the same with some special attraction 'Combat Jiu Jitsu' matches. I think that will be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Yeah, that works for me. If he's not pushing those rules into the tournament then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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