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It's not all about money, but it's more about that than anything else. And so it should be.

 

UFC are still fighting the good fight and trying to get that mainstream acceptance, to give boxing the boot and be a truly household name that oozes dollars. To do that, you have to have characters and appeal to the mass market.

 

The thing about the mainstream is, they couldn't give a fig about the integrity of the sport, due process or the essence of true martial arts.

 

If the UFC want to get there, they're, on certain occasions (like a huge flagship show), going to have to book for the people (and numbers) and not just based on what a pre-conceived idea of what is right.

 

Is Conor/Nate 2 more appealing to the sort of audience that the UFC wants/needs to appeal to, more than Frankie? Yeah, pretty much.

 

99% of the mainstream audience aren't like us, they aren't googling, listening to podcasts or searching MMA sites; they may not even know who Edgar is. They sure as fuck know who Nate is.

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Talk about going completely off topic. If  they don't want to give him anything, then don't. If they wanna make him wait, they can for the rest of his career if they see fit, that is there prerogative. The same goes for McGregor and any other fighter out there, he has to do what is best for him and what he can get away with. Isn't there more money to be made if McGregor isn't moving back down and two top guys fighting for a title, rather then a non title fight?

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Edgar is not as big a draw as McGregor at FW, Gooner - the sooner you realise that the better.

What are you going on about? That is absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, where did I say Edgar was a bigger draw?  McGregor has won and never defended the belt, so with or without, he a big draw, right? So if he up in weight fighting, getting tapped out, the other fights are at Featherweight are bigger with a title involved, right?  

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Names, faces and characters. That's the name of the game. Boxing has conditioned people to not really give a shit who says they're champion.

 

McGregor/Edgar is arguably a bigger deal within the sport, and would have bigger ramifications within the division and within the rankings but, again, the mainstream audience couldn't give a shit.

 

If Mike Tyson announced his return tomorrow against David Haye for not so much as a leather belt it would still piss ALL over the Quigg/Frampton box office which was ALL about belts.

 

People like stories and characters. They like the character of McGregor and they'll probably like the story of him trying to avenge his loss against Nate, who they know also know.

 

At 200, Dana will play nothing but the numbers. The rest can wait till 203 or some shit, one would imagine.

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No.

 

Big gold belts mean fuck all to casual audiences, too.

 

Names, faces and characters. That's the name of the game. Boxing has conditioned people to not really give a shit who says they're champion.

 

It's arguably a bigger deal within the sport, and would have bigger ramifications within the division and within the rankings but, again, the mainstream audience couldn't give a shit.

 

If Mike Tyson announced his return tomorrow against David Haye for not so much as a leather belt it would still piss ALL over the Quigg/Frampton box office which was ALL about belts.

 

People like stories and characters. They like the character of McGregor and they'll probably like the story of him trying to avenge his loss against Nate, who they know also know.

 

At 200, Dana will play nothing but the numbers. The rest can wait till 203 or some shit, one would imagine.

 

Why are you going on about things that we already know? You are in a whole other category of argument about such a thing. Where did I say Mcgregor vs Edgar is bigger then McGregor vs Diaz 2? You arguing with yourself here. Edgar vs Aldo 2 is bigger with a belt, then with not a belt, right?  

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None if this is up to Edgar though. He needs to stop crying and petition for a fight with Aldo - stay busy in his division & make some money; and if the McGregor fight happens for him, then it happens. Either that or GET VOCAL properly. Stop whining - and start being productive vocally - call McGregor a ducking little cunt and call him out at any weight. Tell him you'll fight him anywhere, any time & any weight but actually mean it. Make yourself interesting - chase McGregor down instead of whining about him not coming to you. Do what McGregor did to others.

 

thing is, has Frankie really been that vocal? The only time i recall that Frankie got a little agitated was when Dana went public saying that Frankie was offered the fight but turned it down, withouth mentioning that he'd turned it down because he was injured.

 

If you listen to Frankie on the MMA Hour a few weeks ago he was well aware of the situation he was in and he understood it, i think it's a little unfair to say he needs to quit whining, especially when you understand what's on the line. Frankie's 5 fight win streak heading to this title shot is as impressive a list of opponent beaten on run to a title shot, he 100% deserves his title shot and you couldn't possibly hold it against him if he comes out makes it known he's disappointed he's not gonna get a massive payday for the title on the biggest show of all time. The fact that Frankie's quiet and doesn't speak up for himself can be held against him but at least he's being genuine.

 

I wouldn't be against the UFC putting together an interim title at 200 and do Frankie/Aldo, Frankie/Holloway. People will disagree but as a champion you have an obligation to defend your belt and if Conor is active yet isn't defending the belt the UFC could very realistically create an alternative. I know boxing's a mess title wise, but if a champion can't or refuses to defend against his mandatory challenger he's stripped of the title. I don't think the UFC need to go down that route here, but i woulnd't be against an interim title instead. It also leaves a champion in place if Conor doesn't ever go back to 145, which has to be a possibility.

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It's not just the MMA hour though Ebb - his entire twitter feed is a big whine, especially as he retweets fans all the time who are aggressively fighting his corner & moaning on his behalf - but he RTs them - that's on him.

And create an interim belt after 6 months just because it's Mcgregor & it's cool to hate on him? That's a new level of haters right there. Aldo took 13 months off after the first mendes fight & wasn't stripped.

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I've got a feeling that the potential sale of the ufc is possibly the reason for this immediate rematch.

 

Over the past few days I've been reading articles like the below:-

 

http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/bbarry/reports-suggest-ufc-will-sold-year/

 

I'm guessing having another massive buyrate this year with just push the value of the company closer to what they hope to receive?

 

It makes sense simply because why would the Fertitta's care about the sporting aspect if their short term goal is to sell?

 

They just want as much money as possible so the biggest fights right now may be their priority.

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Those type of articles have been circulating for years though. Always rumours. And UFC have always gone for the money fight over the sporting aspect. Remember how quick Brock got a title shot? He was 1-1 in UFC.

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Those type of articles have been circulating for years though. Always rumours. And UFC have always gone for the money fight over the sporting aspect. Remember how quick Brock got a title shot? He was 1-1 in UFC.

Of course there's always been money fights in the ufc. That's a no brainer.

 

However Brock got that shot as the heavyweight division was completely dead in the water at the time. There was no other choice.

 

 

The fettita's recently sold off their entertainment company in January for 450m too which may suggest they are currently cashing out.

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