The Gaffer Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 The WWE is run seemingly from the ground up now as a revisionist carpet bombing of the idea of wrestling as a vehicle for entertainment. The entire contained culture of what the WWE Universe is can be thought of as an attempt to paint WWE as the only game in town and what people mean when they mention 'wrestling'. It's a fair shout in some respects as they're absolutely fucking enormous and really the only federation that espouses the idea that they're producing an action adventure series but no matter how much they go on about it the fact remains that they're just a fucking massive wrestling organisation. They do wrestling. It's what it always has been and always will be. The same thing as what Ring Of Honour do, the same thing as what New Japan do. Just on an altogether unseemly scale. That's the prevailing mythology of Vince McMahon. That wrestling is the WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshC Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Every Raw and PPV, we are introduced to "the legendary JBL". The guy had one year on top of the B show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 If your barometer for legend is how long they spent on top, then Hacksaw, Big Ted, Koko and all those other wheeled out 'legends' may as well pack up, and fuck off now. Considering how denigrated the word is within the WWE universe, JBL's exploits as a cowboy, as a member of an APA and his FUCKING INCREDIBLE title run make him as good a candidate as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshC Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Bollocks. A journeyman type at best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffer Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 It's more than fair to isolate somebody's gimmick from the situations at the time when introducing them as a commentator. We've had ten years of people complaining about a lack of good characters on WWE television. JBL was a fantastic character and more than worthy of being a legend in the WWE machine, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Some journeyman, he's been with WWE for 20 years or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffer Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I gotta throw my hat into the podcast appreciation circle as well. I mainly lurk around here and just read the posts but all of these threads generate fascinating discussion and great podcasts that make typing numbers into a spreadsheet to pay rent for 8 hours a day a bit more comfortably numb. Cheers, Liam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam O'Rourke Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not a problem man, thank you very much for listening - like you I really love the discussion these topics get going every week, kinda fascinating to see the variety of opinions and what strikes different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 The well known fact that Vince McMahon hates WRESTLING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uwc39 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 The WWF did not purposely try to put the AWA out of business despite running all their towns, buying all their TV slots and hiring anyone who'd jump (including announcers and office). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ElCece Posted August 4, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2015 I hate the myth they propigate that Trish Stratus was a legendary Women's wrestler. Quite honestly she went from shite to lowest level nessecary to come out positive on the tit's to ring ability ratio. Yes she mainevented Raw with Lita but she wasn't over because of her ring ability she was over because she was gorgeous and around in era when everyone had to be careful with there internet bandwidth. Watching her back she is well below most current Divas now. I honestly thinks she comftably worse than the Bellas and they get slaughtered. Her great Mania moment with Mickie James was so hot because of the lesbian angle. Great diva but not a great not even a good worker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sick love song Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I hate the myth they propigate that Trish Stratus was a legendary Women's wrestler. Quite honestly she went from shite to lowest level nessecary to come out positive on the tit's to ring ability ratio. Yes she mainevented Raw with Lita but she wasn't over because of her ring ability she was over because she was gorgeous and around in era when everyone had to be careful with there internet bandwidth. Watching her back she is well below most current Divas now. I honestly thinks she comftably worse than the Bellas and they get slaughtered. Her great Mania moment with Mickie James was so hot because of the lesbian angle. Great diva but not a great not even a good worker Thats not really a myth though. I think you have to base if she was legenary on her career and how much impact she had going forward not how much in ring ability she had retrospectivly. That would be a little like looking back at the Hogan/Austin/Rock matches, deciding that Cesaros a better in ring wrestler. So all of the great promos and angles that people remember those guys for are not enough to have made them a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kostan Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The biggest WWE BS has to be WrestleMania. From day one, every WM features only one or two amazing matches, the rest if mid card at best. Yet every year it's presented as the best thing that ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I hate the myth they propigate that Trish Stratus was a legendary Women's wrestler. That's not even so much a WWE myth as an Internet myth. Trish was way worse at wrestling than her rep suggests. She's by far the best all-rounder women's wrestling has ever had, though. The current crop won't come close. Charlotte looks too mannish. Becky Lynch sounds like Sheamus' rough granddad if he'd smoked every fag in the world. Sasha Banks hasn't got the looks or the charm. Paige increasingly shows herself up as a charmless, useless idiot with every appearance. Bayley isn't going to reach Trish's league without a lot of facial reconstruction. The Bellas are atrocious at acting and talking on wrestling shows, and Brie's definitely worse than Trish at the wrestling. Lana's struggling to get a foothold without the evil Russian gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted August 4, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2015 Spot on. Trish may not have been the best in ring but she was good enough to have the odd watchable match, she is probably the fittest diva ever and she just gets it. She knows wrestling is about getting over character and stories and she was a dab hand at it. These days you have people like Paige who sings along to her own entrance music on her way out like a berk at WrestleMania.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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