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The last 2 F&Ls did have some A List imports which was aiming them at a more casual fanbase who wouldn't normally watch it. They had Kurt Angle, Finn Balor as a guest replacing Mick Foley, Rey Mysterio and Rob Van Dam for example. This year's seems more aimed at their regular fans. The big names they have are British Strong Style and Noam Dar on loan again. Progress didn't go down that route when they did Wembley when they just as easily could have and they still got a very respectable turnout nonetheless. Both drew very well on their first go at an arena show in their own right.

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46 minutes ago, Jon-Carr_92 said:

The last 2 F&Ls did have some A List imports which was aiming them at a more casual fanbase who wouldn't normally watch it. They had Kurt Angle, Finn Balor as a guest replacing Mick Foley, Rey Mysterio and Rob Van Dam for example. This year's seems more aimed at their regular fans. The big names they have are British Strong Style and Noam Dar on loan again. Progress didn't go down that route when they did Wembley when they just as easily could have and they still got a very respectable turnout nonetheless. Both drew very well on their first go at an arena show in their own right.

I agree something had to happen when it was at its peak. I mean as someone in the music industry and booking certain size venues I know for certain that the UK tours they were doing in venues such as academy 2 is not cheap. 

That's when they should have been picked up and ran with I'm not putting it down I feel genuinely sad it didn't happen for them

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The problem with ICW was their booking and stories got incredibly tedious and repetitive. I was hooked on the company for around 2 years heading into the first Hyrdo show but then I started to see the lazy reliance on authority figures and fucking Red Lightening. I didn't even see the next F&F so I must've dropped them around the summer time, and I assume a lot of people did the same.

Even more recently, I heard about a great Joe Coffey promo a few months back and it was indeed great until it was all about Red Lightening again and who was on who's side and blah blah fucking blah. I don't watch non-WWE promotions to see WWE tropes out in full force.

But looking at the marketing for F&F, I think they know they've fallen into a dip due to all this and they appear to be fine with it. The latest promo video is basically them saying "We were Big Bang of this current era of British Wrestling. Come and see where it all began" and you can't really argue with them. Grado and ICW were fucking massive, especially for a Scottish wrestling promotion, and were the entry way to the BrtiWres scene for those who were getting fed up with what was being offered by the mainstream.

Shame really, as me and my mates were really into ICW back in 2014/2015. The  tour show they held in the small room of the Birmingham O2 was fantastic and is one of the most fun all-round shows I've been to. I wish them the best and, now that PROGRESS is in the toilet creatively, I hope they get rid of the dead weight and get those lost fans, and me, back on the wagon. 

 

 

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I’m making the trip for the third year in a row.  I actually don’t follow the promotion AT ALL year-round, but I do feel they make Fear & Loathing seem like a huge deal, and I enjoy it as an annual WrestleMania-esque showcase.  Plus Glasgow is a cool city to visit.

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On 11/14/2018 at 5:44 PM, Accident Prone said:

The problem with ICW was their booking and stories got incredibly tedious and repetitive. I was hooked on the company for around 2 years heading into the first Hyrdo show but then I started to see the lazy reliance on authority figures and fucking Red Lightening. I didn't even see the next F&F so I must've dropped them around the summer time, and I assume a lot of people did the same.

Even more recently, I heard about a great Joe Coffey promo a few months back and it was indeed great until it was all about Red Lightening again and who was on who's side and blah blah fucking blah. I don't watch non-WWE promotions to see WWE tropes out in full force.

But looking at the marketing for F&F, I think they know they've fallen into a dip due to all this and they appear to be fine with it. The latest promo video is basically them saying "We were Big Bang of this current era of British Wrestling. Come and see where it all began" and you can't really argue with them. Grado and ICW were fucking massive, especially for a Scottish wrestling promotion, and were the entry way to the BrtiWres scene for those who were getting fed up with what was being offered by the mainstream.

Shame really, as me and my mates were really into ICW back in 2014/2015. The  tour show they held in the small room of the Birmingham O2 was fantastic and is one of the most fun all-round shows I've been to. I wish them the best and, now that PROGRESS is in the toilet creatively, I hope they get rid of the dead weight and get those lost fans, and me, back on the wagon. 

 

 

Sorry pal.

I‚Äôm just too good at my job hence things seem to gravitate back to being about me ūüôā

 

edit; simply humour 

Edited by RedLightning

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On 11/14/2018 at 5:44 PM, Accident Prone said:

The problem with ICW was their booking and stories got incredibly tedious and repetitive. I was hooked on the company for around 2 years heading into the first Hyrdo show but then I started to see the lazy reliance on authority figures and fucking Red Lightening. I didn't even see the next F&F so I must've dropped them around the summer time, and I assume a lot of people did the same.

Even more recently, I heard about a great Joe Coffey promo a few months back and it was indeed great until it was all about Red Lightening again and who was on who's side and blah blah fucking blah. I don't watch non-WWE promotions to see WWE tropes out in full force.

But looking at the marketing for F&F, I think they know they've fallen into a dip due to all this and they appear to be fine with it. The latest promo video is basically them saying "We were Big Bang of this current era of British Wrestling. Come and see where it all began" and you can't really argue with them. Grado and ICW were fucking massive, especially for a Scottish wrestling promotion, and were the entry way to the BrtiWres scene for those who were getting fed up with what was being offered by the mainstream.

Shame really, as me and my mates were really into ICW back in 2014/2015. The  tour show they held in the small room of the Birmingham O2 was fantastic and is one of the most fun all-round shows I've been to. I wish them the best and, now that PROGRESS is in the toilet creatively, I hope they get rid of the dead weight and get those lost fans, and me, back on the wagon. 

 

 

I loved the promotion for a couple of years up until around the time Grado won the title (I am a big fan of his but to me more of an upper mid carder). It seemed different at the time. However all the matches seemed to have been done to dust and felt no reason to watch. I think a big problem was that I started to see other promotions around, mainly rpw for me. I think same for others, they watched icw started wanting to watch British indies again and people started seeing their own local stuff. 

So many promotions have big names in them now, just look at rpw, progress, ipw, fight club and many more. I'm not sure it really stands out any more. They got me back into britwres but have not done much to keep me hanging on. 

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Jeff Jarrett has been announced as the special guest ref for James storm v grado I can see a guitar shot across the head of grado coming...

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17 hours ago, wrestleuk said:

Jeff Jarrett has been announced as the special guest ref for James storm v grado I can see a guitar shot across the head of grado coming...

I am sure they have now gone from absolutely plops ticket sales to selling out the Hydro. Great booking, lads.

You can only market towards wretched Glaswegian late 90s manchild mosher types for so long before even they get bored, evidently.

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Had a great time at F&L last night much smaller crowd than the last few years but the action in the ring didn‚Äôt disappoint the queen of insanity match was the MOTN by a country mile everything they did made sense storylines progressed well and it wasn‚Äôt dominated by part time imports (6 man tag aside ūüėā)

They announced the Square go for 24th February at a venue icw Haven’t ran before so I’m hoping to get back up for that 

 

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I subscribed to ICW on Demand this week in order to watch Fear & Loathing.

 

I'm a complete newcomer to ICW so can anyone recommend some older shows worth a watch until my month runs-out?

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Super Smoking Thunder Dome from around August 2012 or the show before that as that's the start of Gradomania. 

The Square Go that has Drew vs Renfrew and Joe Coffey vs Jack Gallagher was also excellent. Might be 2015? 

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