What's your stance on this photo hacking malarkey?

[John Matrix]

I've only heard bits about all this, and as i only have a works computer at my disposal, i've not seen any of these nudie hacked photos doing the rounds, despite an entire thread of them taunting me every time i click on topic.

 

What's your stance?  My view is, it's not right for people to hack computers and steal data, granted, but everyone should know that it happens, especially if you're in the public eye, so if you're fucking stupid enough to still upload them somewhere then you're asking for trouble.

 

I suppose you can make the comparison that by rights, i've been an idiot in the past for posting stuff about myself in what was the depression thread, but there's a difference there, it's faceless, for the most part you lot dont know me, my name, my contact details etc.  Someone like Jennifer Lawrence can't say the same thing when she's saving mewithtitsout.jpg on her hard drive, right?

 

I've always felt the same, people allowing themselves to be filmed giving their fella a nosher, and then complaining when the relationship goes tits up and he decides to flog it on or whatever, i mean sure, there's human rights and all, but common sense ought to play a part at some point surely?

 

Discuss. 

 

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Completely disagree that there should be any kind of victim blaming going on in this incident.

 

Things in cloud storage is the way technology is being pushed and it's supposed to be completely private and secure.

 

For example - all the images saved in my phone get backed up to my cloud storage, as does everything on my phone. That way if I lose the phone, I don't lose anything. If my missus sends me a nudie pic when I'm away on business, well, that gets backed up automatically as well*.

 

I don't see why just because they're famous they deserve not have any privacy at all, and using the fact that they don't and that's what currently happens to justify it continuing to happen is bullshit.

 

 

 

* Please don't hack my cloud. She'd be mortified and never send me any pictures again

[Guy Bifkin]

Quite glad I could never figure out how the iCloud worked.

 

As for the pics I've viewed - hugely impressed with Jennifer Lawrence, very tidy, but Kirstin Dunst's sagging dugs were disappointing. 

 

Olivia Munn has quite the wizard's sleeve. 

[Dead Mike]

I think it boils down to what you should, theoretically be able to do against the reality of the situation. Everyone should be able to record themselves doing whatever they like (legally of course) & everyone should have the right to privacy. But as you rightly say, the reality of the situation is very different. If you’re a celebrity then making a sex tape or taking compromising pictures of yourself is a case of risk vs reward. In theory we should all be able to leave valuables on plain view in a car, the majority of us don’t as common sense prevails & we know the risks of doing so. Same thing here.

 

 

This isn’t a new thing & there’s little public sympathy for those who end up having their pics/vids put in the public domain. I’m assuming most people are as cynical as I am but whenever something like this ‘leaks’ & these celebs are top trending on twitter etc I always wonder how much of it is manufactured, like footballers PR people telling paps that they’re at certain nightclubs etc to keep them in the public eye & keep their stock high.

 

 

The contradiction of these instances (in my experience anyway), going back as far as Princess Di’s death is that whenever something bad comes out of situations like this is the people moaning about it being as invasion of privacy are the same cretins buying those horrendous magazines that are at the tills of supermarkets, trading off long lensed pics of celebs on holiday pointing out any love handles or stretch marks. Cunts funding cunt behaviour then moaning about it.

[John Matrix]

I dont know i go so far as to blame the victims as such, I just think that if you're in the spotlight, you ought to know you're wearing a bullseye at all times, and be a little smarter with your decision making, that's all. 

 

Of course i'd be fucking traumatised if something like this happened to me, but i know nothings completely secure, and maybe that's a good thing in light of the Rotherham scandal etc, but for that reason we keep all our photos printed in albums and locked away in the spare room - dosen't mean we wont get broken into at some point, but we're far lower risk and playing the odds in our favour.

[Bellenda Carlisle]

It's a horrific invasion of privacy and hopefully a serious crime, it's also terrifying that it's even possible, how did the hacker know how to specifically find these people? If he can get nude photos of the most popular actress in the world off her own computer then he must have had access to pretty much anything he wants from anyone. I do feel that because it's famous people everyone wants to see naked as opposed to anything else it's been given more of a positive slant with the nickname the fappening and people making jokes about it which isn't right but I don't think people wanting to see the pics are the bad guys, twice I've heard that "The people looking at the pictures are just as bad as the hacker" which I disagree with totally.

[lanky316]

Completely disagree that there should be any kind of victim blaming going on in this incident.

 

Things in cloud storage is the way technology is being pushed and it's supposed to be completely private and secure.

 

For example - all the images saved in my phone get backed up to my cloud storage, as does everything on my phone. That way if I lose the phone, I don't lose anything. If my missus sends me a nudie pic when I'm away on business, well, that gets backed up automatically as well*.

 

This is why I don't think it's as simple as victim blaming when people say "they shouldn't have done it in the first place", the issue lies with people not understanding the cloud, as well as issues with the system in itself. One of the big things people have taken from the story is "BUT THE PICTURES WERE DELETED!" well, maybe off the direct handset but they'd uploaded them to the cloud and not had them removed from there, the cloud exists incase you accidentally lose information. On top of that we have issues with there allegedly being no automatic lock out on the system in a targeted attack (Apple deny this but just ahead of launching a new device they would wouldn't they? I know there were a lot of optional features not as standard for protection which would surely have been obsolete?). Meaning that you can try as many times as you like to get the information on an individuals cloud. Pretty easy if there's an automatic compiler trying a billion combinations to get in to run through a selection of people and maybe hit.

 

In a sense we're all lucky that it was "just" a few celebrities with nude pics rather than a really serious breach and hopefully the outcry will protect the rest of our information and people will revise the "just put it all on the cloud" philosophy that has been the big thing in recent times.

[Devon Malcolm]

A bunch of misogynist twats pretending they are trying to show the world faults with security technology when in reality all they want are some more pictures to wank over.

 

Also, "Well, it's the fault of these people for having naked photos on there in the first place!" is just staggering logic when you think about it.

 

https://twitter.com/JZdziarski/statuses/506426323330674688

[PunkStep]

There's an Olivia Wilde wizard sleeve pic?! Right, laters folks.

 

On a serious note, I had a chat with a girl at work about this. She said it's their own fault for sending naked pics. Is it fuck- it's not as though they've trusted somebody who then sold the pic to TMZ or something, this is a serious intrusion of private property. Apple's security really has a lot to answer for here as something like this should never happen. It's no different in some ways to phone hacking. At a time where Cloud services are really being pushed, this could be a major setback as people are going to be very skeptical about using such services.

[lanky316]

That coworker comment showed one of my concerns about perception of this. There's a chance people will start to bracket this in with a "revenge porn" debate. It's an entirely different thing which is a lot deeper than just having nude photos a partner shares around during/after a break up. While most of us are aware of the potential hazard in sending someone something like that, internet security and cloud services are something else entirely with potentially much bigger issues going forward.

[King Pitcos]

It's a horrific invasion of privacy and hopefully a serious crime, it's also terrifying that it's even possible, how did the hacker know how to specifically find these people? If he can get nude photos of the most popular actress in the world off her own computer then he must have had access to pretty much anything he wants from anyone. 

Not really. It's not, as far as I know, hacking in the same way that you hear of a kid hacking the NSA website or whatever. It's social engineering (which I imagine is easier with celebrities, who might mention their first dog's name in an interview, forgetting that's their secret question on some webmail service) and brute force password guessing etc rather than coding.

 

Faults in cloud security systems are the backdoor that they've (there wasn't just one hacker) used to get pictures, so it's essentially just stuff that gets backed up to the cloud as per someone's specifications. There's an iCloud photostream, but there isn't an iCloud creditcardnumberpincodeandsecuritycodestream, for example. This doesn't just happen to celebrities, either, there are many, many non-famous women -- and men -- that have had their intimate cloud photos stolen... Just nobody heard or cared about that because they weren't famous.

 

I absolutely disagree with anyone who thinks that the celebrities who got hacked were in the wrong for taking the pictures in the first place. Everyone should have the right to not have their stuff stolen, whether it's an iPad or some photos on an iPad. This has opened people's eyes a bit to the flaws in Internet security, and will likely lead to improvements in that area, both in terms of companies getting on top of it and in terms of people being more vigilant about their own security settings. As others have said, to some folks it's no different than revenge porn, but this is a quite different circumstance.

 

The celebrity photo hacking ring was a massively secret deep underground thing before (I'd heard of it but assumed it was all lies), and the feeling now is that whoever started releasing photos has fucked it for the lot of them, so they might all release the pictures they've been hoarding.

[Chest Rockwell]

twice I've heard that "The people looking at the pictures are just as bad as the hacker" which I disagree with totally.

Obviously they're not "just as bad", but I really don't think it's helping the situation. I personally find the idea of going and hunting down the photos to look at them pretty sleazy and have made a decision not to look at them but I'm not under any illusion that I'm making some great noble act.

[JNLister]

From the tech side, it appears that the hackers may have been using software designed for government agencies that means rather than just being able to login to iCloud and browse through the pics, they were able to download the complete online backup of the handset.

 

Also, it seems most posters here get it, but it's not a case of the hacker accessing (physically or virtually) the victim's phone/computer. Nor is it a case of the victim intentionally posting the stuff online. It's their iPhone automatically backing the pics up online in iCloud, which the hackers have then accessed.

 

Finally a fapper advisory notice: if you are taking a look to see what all the fuss is about, you probably want to avoid pics of McKayla Maroney and Liz Lee (no, I have no idea only) as it appears they were likely under 18 when the pics were taken.

[textonly]

It's baffling to me how desperate people are to defend their moral position by blaming the celebrities*. The amount of people I've seen saying, "they shouldn't have taken nude photos", or "they shouldnt have it on their phone", or "they're celebrities and they sell their sexualised image already so it's fine" is ridiculous. They're people, they had something deeply private stolen from them, it's undeniably fucked-up. Anyone rationalising it as okay is 100% wrong.

 

That said, I also disagree with the likes of Lena Dunham - who I generally like and respect, by the way - saying that looking at the images perpetuates the abuse of these women. I don't think it does. The way the internet is these days, the damage is done. They have to live now with knowing it's out there and that anyone and everyone may have seen the images. It's not fair and it's not right, but it's a finite thing that can't be undone. I don't feel that people who will never meet them or talk to them seeing the images makes a difference one way or the other. The emotional toll of such a thing is they will believe from now on that everyone has seen them anyway. Should you ever meet Jennifer Lawrence or whomever and you can say, "y'know, I never looked at those photos", then good for you, but chances are you won't and chances are she may not believe you anyway. That's the damage. Privacy is lost and trust is severely compromised forever. So it truly sucks that these women had their privacy stolen from them, but it's impossible to get back now. I'd agree people probably shouldn't be sharing them - certainly not any media source/business - but the ether of the internet is too hard to control. Joe Bloggs seeing an image alone in his bedroom makes no difference to anyone as far as I can see.

 

The other thing that has annoyed me a bit is the way the media portray some of the stuff. Anytime I see the phrase "performing a lewd act" it drives me nuts. Now, I know "lewd" has a couple of variant meanings, one of which is just like "lustful", so maybe I'm being fussy, but I think the more prominent meaning is something slightly more sinister and/or disgusting. In my mind, a guy masturbating on the Tube or near a school is a lewd act. Knowing that there's a video of Jennifer Lawrence giving a blowjob and saying "STAR CAUGHT ON VIDEO PERFORMING LEWD ACT" drives me mental with the subtle air of sex negativity. It's not lewd in the bigger sense, it's completely normal and it shouldn't be even fractionally shocking to anyone. Publicising it as such is just another subtle way of castigating female sexuality. Huge blargh.

 

*I don't mean here. I mean in places where I've seen people posting/celebrating all this.

[Thunderplex]

The hackers are to blame, that's a given. Security is a personal responsibility. These celebs obviously thought the cloud was safe, but surely they knew that if there was a sniff of personal stuff out there, they should have not used cloud until it was proved concrete. The days of polaroids at the bottom of the sock draw are gone.

The hackers are to blame, that's a given. Security is a personal responsibility. These celebs obviously thought the cloud was safe, but surely they knew that if there was a sniff of personal stuff out there, they should have not used cloud until it was proved concrete. The days of polaroids at the bottom of the sock draw are gone.