Paid Members tiger_rick Posted July 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 You might have seen this. List of the matches given the worst negative marks by Meltzer. Some stinkers on here I'd long forgotten. Â Judging Hogan/Andre on an technical scale is pointless. It was a spectacle. Â -5Oct 10th 1999 - Heroes Of Wrestling - Bushwackers vs. Nikolai Volkoff & The Iron SheikOct 25th 1998 - WCW Halloween Havoc '98 - Hollywood Hogan vs. The WarriorApr 7th 1986 - WWF WrestleMania 2 - Mr. T. vs. Roddy Piper (boxing)Nov 7th 1985 - WWF The Wrestling Classic - Junk Yard Dog vs. Moondog Spot-4Jul 19th 2009 - TNA Victory Road '09 - Jenna Morasca vs. SharmellSep 13th 1998 - WCW Fall Brawl '98 - The Warrior & Roddy Piper & Diamond Dallas Page vs. Lex Luger & Sting & Kevin Nash & Stevie Ray & Bret Hart & Hulk Hogan (triple threat wargames)Nov 20th 1990 - NWA Clash of the Champions XIII: Thanksgiving Thunder - Sid Vicious vs. The NightstalkerApr 2nd 1989 - WWF WrestleMania V - Bushwackers vs. RougeausMar 29th 1987 - WWF WrestleMania III - Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant-3.5Nov 30th 1997 - ECW November To Remember '97 - Sabu vs. The Sandman (tables and ladders)Apr 28th 1996 - WWF In Your House 7 - Ultimate Warrior vs. GoldustJul 14th 1991 - WCW The Great American Bash '91 - Bobby Eaton & P. N. News vs. Steve Austin & Terrance Taylor (scaffold)-3Feb 18th 2007 - WWE No Way Out '07 - Finlay & Little Bastard vs. The Boogeyman & Little BoogeymanFeb 11th 2007 - TNA Against All Odds '07 - Christy Hemme vs. Big Fat Oily Guy (tuxedo)Jun 25th 2000 - WWF King of the Ring '00 - Pat Patterson vs. Gerald Brisco (evening gown)Oct 10th 1999 - Heroes Of Wrestling - Greg Valentine vs. George SteeleOct 10th 1999 - Heroes Of Wrestling - King Kong Bundy & Jim Neidhart vs. Yokozuna & Jake RobertsSep 26th 1999 - WWF Unforgiven '99 - Al Snow vs. Big Boss Man (kennel from hell)Mar 24th 1996 - WCW Uncensored '96 - Randy Savage & Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair & Arn Anderson & Meng & The Barbarian & Lex Luger & Kevin Sullivan & Z-Gangsta & The Ultimate Solution (tower of doom cage)Nov 20th 1993 - WCW Battlebowl - Dustin Rhodes & King Kong vs. The Equalizer & Awesome KongOct 25th 1992 - WCW Halloween Havoc '92 - Rick Rude vs. Masa ChonoJun 9th 1991 - UWF Beach Brawl - Boris Zhukov vs. Paul SamsonMay 19th 1991 - WCW SuperBrawl I - Oz vs. Tim ParkerApr 2nd 1989 - WWF WrestleMania V - Jake Roberts vs. Andre the GiantJun 8th 1987 - WWF Fresno Show (Jun '87) - The Fabulous Moolah vs. Debbie CombsNov 26th 1984 - WWF MSG Show (Nov '84) - David Schultz vs. Rocky Johnson-2.5Oct 29th 2000 - WCW Halloween Havoc '00 - Mike Awesome vs. VampiroNov 23rd 1994 - WWF Survivor Series '94 - Cheesy & Queasy & Sleazy & Jerry Lawler vs. Wink & Pink & Dink & Doink (Survivor Series")Feb 20th 1994 - WCW SuperBrawl IV - Jim Steele vs. The EqualizerMay 19th 1990 - NWA Capital Combat - Paul Ellering vs. Teddy Long (hair vs. hair)-2.25Oct 10th 1999 - Heroes Of Wrestling - Abdullah The Butcher vs. One Man GangJan 21st 1990 - WWF Royal Rumble '90 - Jim Duggan vs. Big Boss Man-2Jan 11th 2009 - TNA Genesis '09 - Roxxi & Taylor Wilde & O. D. B. vs. Rhaka Khan & Raisha Saeed & Sojourner BoltApr 15th 2007 - TNA Lockdown '07 - James Storm vs. Chris Harris (blindfold steel cage)Jan 8th 2006 - WWE New Year's Revolution '06 - Shelton Benjamin vs. VisceraSep 23rd 2001 - WWF Unforgiven '01 - Kane & The Undertaker vs. Bryan Clark & Brian AdamsJan 14th 2001 - WCW Sin - Scott Steiner vs. Road Warrior Animal & Sid Vicious & Jeff JarrettAug 13th 2000 - WCW New Blood Rising - Major Gunns vs. Miss HancockJul 9th 2000 - WCW Bash At The Beach '00 - Vampiro vs. The KISS Demon (Graveyard)Jun 11th 2000 - WCW The Great American Bash '00 - Vampiro vs. Sting (Human Torch)Nov 21st 1999 - WCW Mayhem '99 - David Flair vs. Kimberly PageAug 22nd 1999 - WWF SummerSlam '99 - Ivory vs. ToriMar 28th 1999 - WWF WrestleMania XV - Sable vs. ToriAug 30th 1998 - WWF SummerSlam '98 - Giant Silva & Golga & Kurrgan vs. Sho Funaki & Men's Teioh & Dick Togo & TAKA Michinoku (handicap tag)Aug 8th 1998 - WCW Road Wild '98 - Steve McMichael vs. Brian AdamsJun 28th 1998 - WWF King of the Ring '98 - Brian Christopher & Scott Taylor vs. Al Snow & HeadDec 7th 1997 - WWF In Your House 19 - Hunter Hearst Helmsley vs. Sergeant Slaughter (Boot Camp)May 18th 1997 - WCW Slamboree '97 - Steve McMichael vs. Reggie WhiteFeb 11th 1996 - WCW SuperBrawl VI - Konnan vs. One Man GangOct 22nd 1995 - WWF In Your House 4 - Yokozuna vs. MabelAug 6th 1995 - WCW Clash of the Champions XXXI - Sting & Road Warrior Hawk vs. Meng & KurasawaMar 19th 1995 - WCW Uncensored '95 - Meng vs. Jim Duggan (Martial Arts)Mar 19th 1995 - WCW Uncensored '95 - The Blacktop Bully vs. Dustin Rhodes (King Of The Road)Feb 19th 1995 - WCW SuperBrawl V - Kevin Sullivan vs. Dave SullivanMay 4th 1994 - NJPW Wrestling Dontaku 1994 - El Gigante vs. Tadao YasudaNov 10th 1993 - WCW Clash of the Champions XXV - Rick Rude vs. Road Warrior HawkApr 5th 1992 - WWF WrestleMania VIII - Earthquake & Typhoon vs. Money Inc.Apr 5th 1992 - WWF WrestleMania VIII - Hulk Hogan vs. Sid JusticeOct 27th 1991 - WCW Halloween Havoc '91 - Sting & Rick Steiner & Scott Steiner & El Gigante vs. Abdullah The Butcher & The Diamond Studd & Cactus Jack & Big Van Vader (Chamber of Horrors)Sep 5th 1991 - WCW Clash of the Champions XVI: Fall Brawl - Van Hammer vs. Terrance TaylorOct 27th 1990 - NWA Halloween Havoc '90 - Jimmy Garvin & Michael Hayes vs. Chris Youngblood & Mark YoungbloodAug 28th 1989 - WWF SummerSlam '89 - Dusty Rhodes vs. Honky Tonk ManMar 27th 1988 - WWF WrestleMania IV - Rick Rude vs. Jake RobertsJan 24th 1988 - NWA Bunkhouse Stampede - Nikita Koloff vs. Bobby EatonJun 8th 1987 - WWF Fresno Show (Jun '87) - Scott Casey vs. Jose EstradaMay 11th 1987 - WWF Oakland Show (May '87) - Kamala vs. George SteeleMay 2nd 1987 - AWA SuperClash II - Jerry Blackwell vs. Boris ZhukovSep 16th 1985 - WWF Fresno Show (Sep '85) - Big John Studd vs. Mr. Wrestling IIMar 31st 1985 - WWF WrestleMania - Wendi Richter vs. Leilani Kai-1.5Aug 26th 2007 - WWE SummerSlam '07 - Batista vs. The Great KhaliJan 29th 2006 - WWE Royal Rumble '06 - Mickie James vs. Ashley MassaroNov 27th 2005 - WWE Survivor Series '05 - Theodore Long vs. Eric BischoffNov 14th 1999 - WWF Survivor Series '99 - Mae Young & The Fabulous Moolah & Tori & Debra vs. Ivory & Luna & Jacqueline & TerriNov 22nd 1998 - WCW World War 3 '98 - Stevie Ray vs. KonnanOct 18th 1998 - WWF Judgment Day '98 - The Undertaker vs. KaneMar 29th 1998 - WWF WrestleMania XIV - Animal & Hawk vs. Bodacious Bart & Bombastic Bob & Phineas I. Godwinn & Henry O. Godwinn & Flash Funk & Steve Blackman & Skull & 8-Ball & Brian Christopher & Scott Taylor & Thrasher & Mosh & Robert Gibson & Ricky Morton & Pierre Ouellette & Jacques Rougeau & Kama Mustafa & Faarooq & D-Lo Brown & Mark Henry & Chainz & Bradshaw & Sniper & Recon & Jesus Castillo Jr. & Jose Estrada Jr. & Miguel Perez Jr. & Savio Vega (tag team battle royale)Mar 15th 1998 - WCW Uncensored '98 - Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (steel cage)Nov 9th 1997 - WWF Survivor Series '97 - The Interrogator & The Jackyl & Recon & Sniper vs. Crush & Chainz & 8-Ball & Skull (Survivor Series)Oct 26th 1997 - WCW Halloween Havoc '97 - Alex Wright vs. Steve McMichaelSep 7th 1997 - WWF In Your House 17 - Savio Vega vs. Crush & Faarooq (triple-threat)Mar 23rd 1997 - WWF WrestleMania 13 - Mosh & Thrasher vs. Blackjack Windham & Blackjack Bradshaw & Henry O. Godwinn & Phineas I. Godwinn & Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon (fatal 4-way)Jan 25th 1997 - WCW Souled Out '97 - Hollywood Hogan vs. The GiantAug 10th 1996 - WCW Hog Wild - Hollywood Hogan vs. The GiantJun 25th 1995 - WWF King of the Ring '95 - Mabel vs. The UndertakerMay 17th 1992 - WCW WrestleWar '92 - The Super Invader vs. Todd ChampionJan 19th 1992 - WWF Royal Rumble '92 - Blake Beverly & Beau Beverly vs. BushwackersOct 31st 1989 - WWF SNME Taping - Dusty Rhodes vs. Big Boss ManMar 27th 1988 - WWF WrestleMania IV - Ultimate Warrior vs. HerculesJun 7th 1987 - WWF Sacramento Show (Jun '87) - Billy Jack Haynes vs. Danny DavisFeb 23rd 1987 - WWF MSG Show (Feb '87) - Jake Roberts vs. King Kong Bundy-1.25Apr 2nd 2000 - WWF WrestleMania 2000 - Test & Albert vs. Al Snow & Steve BlackmanDec 19th 1999 - WCW StarrCade '99 - Vampiro vs. OklahomaFeb 21st 1999 - WCW SuperBrawl IX - Scott Hall vs. Roddy PiperJul 12th 1998 - WCW Bash At The Beach '98 - Hollywood Hogan & Dennis Rodman vs. Diamond Dallas Page & Karl MaloneFeb 15th 1998 - WWF No Way Out of Texas - Godwinns vs. Jacques Rougeau & Pierre OuelletteDec 16th 1990 - NWA StarrCade '90 - Victor Zangiev & Salman Hashimikov vs. Danny Johnson & Troy MontourNov 20th 1990 - NWA Clash of the Champions XIII: Thanksgiving Thunder - Sergeant Krueger & Colonel DeKlerk vs. The Beast & King Kahlua-1Feb 23rd 2014 - WWE Elimination Chamber '14 - Cameron vs. A. J. LeeJan 4th 2014 - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 8 - Kazushi Sakuraba & Yuji Nagata vs. Daniel Gracie & Rolles GracieJun 17th 2012 - WWE No Way Out '12 - Santino Marella vs. Ricardo Rodriguez (Tuxedo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshC Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Nov 23rd 1994 - WWF Survivor Series '94 - Cheesy & Queasy & Sleazy & Jerry Lawler vs. Wink & Pink & Dink & Doink (Survivor Series) Â No way this should be on here, it was a hoot! Expertly worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted July 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 Aug 30th 1998 - WWF SummerSlam '98 - Giant Silva & Golga & Kurrgan vs. Sho Funaki & Men's Teioh & Dick Togo & TAKA Michinoku (handicap tag) Â I remember this as being pretty fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members CleetusVanDamme Posted July 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 Triple H vs Sarge was a decent street fight. Can see why Meltzer wouldn't like it, it's pretty methodical, maybe a bit overlong. Don't see how he could have hated it that much, though. Â Aside from Michaels/Shamrock, I can't remember off the top of my head what else was on that show, but that likely wasn't even the worst match that night, let alone in the top x-worst-ever-list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 That's quite a list. Some of they matches were dreadful, but some I liked. Â There's a lot I've not seen but look very good on paper. Rick Rude vs Hawk for instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted July 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hogan and Andre got one star upon second viewing. About the only comment I want to make on the show after re-watching a video of it is that I was a little too hard on the Andre the Giant-Hulk Hogan main event. It was a bad match to be sure and from an aesthetic viewpoint Andre had no business being in the ring, however Hogan did work hard. Negative four stars was an unfair rating. Looking at it again, it probably deserved one star simply because Hogan was trying hard  Its still a mental rating for perhaps the most famous match ever. The divas matches get better ratings than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 "Apr 2nd 1989 - WWF WrestleMania V - Bushwackers vs. Rougeaus" Â The crowd disagreed, and I well enjoy all their matches together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undefeated Steak Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hogan and Andre got one star upon second viewing. About the only comment I want to make on the show after re-watching a video of it is that I was a little too hard on the Andre the Giant-Hulk Hogan main event. It was a bad match to be sure and from an aesthetic viewpoint Andre had no business being in the ring, however Hogan did work hard. Negative four stars was an unfair rating. Looking at it again, it probably deserved one star simply because Hogan was trying hard  Its still a mental rating for perhaps the most famous match ever. The divas matches get better ratings than that.   Agreed. If it was dressage, ballet or figure skating then you could understand why he'd be so hard on it going by the reasons he gave. Total rubbish though. On a man's man of a scale it would be +5 stars any day of the week. Like you said ian, it's probably the most famous match ever and there can't be a clip that's ever been replayed more times than the slam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Carr_92 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Don't like Meltzer much, but surely he'd have a mind to give -5 to that match at Victory Road with Sting and Jeff Hardy completely off his tits to the point it's certain we'll never him in WWE again because of it. Terrible end to an equally terrible PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted July 25, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 There are three Rick Rude matches there which look decent on paper. What's the story there? Was he prone to have a right shitfest now and then or did he piss in Meltzer's coffee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaky Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 There are three Rick Rude matches there which look decent on paper. What's the story there? Was he prone to have a right shitfest now and then or did he piss in Meltzer's coffee? I can't speak for the others, but Rude v Jake Roberts was an utter snoozefest draw with most of the match comprised of wristlocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Quagmire Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 That Heros of Wrestling show in 1999 must have been more painful than the BME Pain Olympics to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The rating for Hogan/Andre is idiotic and stinks of him being contrarian for the sake of it. It wasn't physically good but if wrestling was judged by that, WrestleMania would be headlined by Adrian Neville in a spotfest with Teddy Hart. Hogan and Andre worked the crowd brilliantly and it's a testament to how good their performance was that the match is still fondly remembered after so long. A match like Hogan/Warrior from WMVI should be ***** but going by Meltzer's opinion, it was slightly above average...so yeah, who cares what Meltzer thinks? His newsletter is brilliant, he has great sources but his opinion is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted July 26, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2014 Bit harsh rating the Piper vs Mr. T match from Wrestlemania 2 at the very bottom. It was boxing. You could see the point if it was a grapplematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted July 26, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 26, 2014 To be fair, while Rick Rude was awesome when on I don't think there was many worse on the nights he wasn't feelkng it. There's very little in wrestling more boring than Rick Rude having a bad night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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