Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 whilst having a few beers with forum mainstay Silky Kisser last night we decided to watch a couple of Royal Rumble matches, we got through 96 and 97. Both Rumble's had a bunch of weird participants but the inclusion of the fake Razor Ramon & Diesel got us talking. Â Â What was that all about? this was a period in time where i completely stopped watching wrestling, i came back into shortly after '97 when Austin started running the show, but this point in time is really vague to me. I always knew of the fakes, and i knew who played them, but what was the point of it? how were they brought in? Â Â Did the WWF straight up act like these two were the original guys? or was it meant as some kind of inside dig at WCW? It was hard to grasp anything from the Rumble performance (thought Kane Diesel had a pretty good run in the match). Â Anyone fill me in on this weird shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 There was a lawsuit pending at the time, regarding Hall and Nash's use of their old mannerisms in WCW. Fake Razor and Diesel was Vince getting arsey and showing that anyone could play the characters because he owned them. Logic goes out of the window when you are in a mood. Â Jim Ross brought them in on an episode of Raw, after promoting that Razor and Diesel were coming back. It was shit, although I believe they had a good match with Davey and Owen on one PPV. Ever the opportunist, Scott Hall actually sold some of his Razor gear to Bogner. There's an old wives tale that Hall and Nash got raises because WCW thought they were going back, but thats all bollocks. Everyone knew what WWF was up to. Â Here's a clip of Kevin Nash watching Jim Cornette talk about fake Diesel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SCDiPGFN0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 12, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 so it was played completely straight and the fans were meant to believe they were the original guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarTheSlouch Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 so it was played completely straight and the fans were meant to believe they were the original guys? Â Before they came back JR said he was "bringing back Razor and Diesel not Scott Hall and Kevin Nash". That they were bigger,better athletes than the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 so it was played completely straight and the fans were meant to believe they were the original guys? No, it was to show us who owned the gimmicks. I.e. not Hall and Nash, thus they shouldn't be acting the way they act on WCW. Some shit like that. As I say logic was on its arse at that point. They didn't want us to believe Bogner and Jacobs were actually Hall and Nash. Just wanted to get a dig in there. Although they did believe Jacobs was better than Nash, and would go on and do better than him as Diesel. He didn't obviously. At least not as Diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Callum1993 Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 Cornette talks about training Jacobs and Bognar to be Diesel and Razor: Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Fox Piss Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 Think it all started at "IYH Mind Games" in September when it cuts backstage and Savio Vega is being attacked by a guy in Razor attire. Wonder if at this point it was Bognar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 There's an old wives tale that Hall and Nash got raises because WCW thought they were going back, but thats all bollocks. Everyone knew what WWF was up to. I thought this was true? Sure I've heard either Hall or Nash tell the story in the past. True or not, the story goes that the pair had made their first appearances for WCW but had yet to actually put pen to paper on their contracts when JR announced on Raw that Razor and Diesel were coming back. Thinking it was true, WCW execs started shitting themselves and offered the pair of them a few hundred grand more than they had previously verbally agreed to if they would sign up straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 There's an old wives tale that Hall and Nash got raises because WCW thought they were going back, but thats all bollocks. Everyone knew what WWF was up to. I thought this was true? Sure I've heard either Hall or Nash tell the story in the past. True or not, the story goes that the pair had made their first appearances for WCW but had yet to actually put pen to paper on their contracts when JR announced on Raw that Razor and Diesel were coming back. Thinking it was true, WCW execs started shitting themselves and offered the pair of them a few hundred grand more than they had previously verbally agreed to if they would sign up straight away. Â Your right Nash has told the story on nearly every shoot he has done, WCW didnt have them under a locked tight contract at the time. He says his pager went off all day as the "office" belived it was a scam from Vince to make them look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 Just rubbish wrestler talk. There's actually transcripts of Eric Bischoff on Prodigy telling people what WWF had planned. Power Slam went to deadline telling the readers there was going to be a fake Razor and Diesel showing up, because Hall and Nash were locked under contract. Â From that months Observer: Kevin Nash and Scott Hall knew nothing of this angle, finding out amidst a ton of commotion within wrestling while appearing on Friday night at the WCW house show in Shreveport. There is no loophole in the respective contracts which have more than two years left nor have their been any talks of them rejoining the WWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 So it's just a case of Hall and Nash not wanting to let the truth get in the way of a good story then? That's a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 Just rubbish wrestler talk. There's actually transcripts of Eric Bischoff on Prodigy telling people what WWF had planned. Power Slam went to deadline telling the readers there was going to be a fake Razor and Diesel showing up, because Hall and Nash were locked under contract. Â Â Wouldnt surprise me if Nash is talking shit about his pay. I often wonder if halls claim he had a "highest earner deal" then prompted nash to get more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Up Chuck Posted January 12, 2014 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 Here's a clip of Kevin Nash watching Jim Cornette talk about fake Diesel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SCDiPGFN0 Â Never seen this before. It's great. Right up to the last line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarTheSlouch Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 And of course after their short spell in WWF they went to Memphis  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 12, 2014 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2014 might be forgetting a load of other shit, but is that the only time two different guys have replaced someone as a character in a top promotion that didn't involve a mask or face paint (eg. Doink). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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