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2 hours ago, Supremo said:

Is AJ Lee legitimately looked back on as a good wrestler? I can’t remember a single match she had. Wasn’t it all just creepy, weirdo-baiting, skipping about in converse?

Absolutely, she was not very good in the ring at all. She wasn't awful, but she was nowhere near as good as she or her fans thought. I don't know what the fuss was about with her. Actually I do, she was quite relatable to wrestling fans.

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14 hours ago, Loki said:

There's some irony in the fact we don't even have a PPV thread about the first ever women's PPV.

Why don't you start one then, you rampant mysogynist?

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It is astonishing that, even on an all-women's PPV, WWE can't come up with anything better than, "throw them all in a Battle Royal". 

Asuka has to be the most mismanaged wrestler in the company. Undefeated forever, won the first Women's Royal Rumble, ton of credibility, marquee match at Wrestlemania - fast-forward less than six months, she doesn't even make the card at Summerslam. Because I don't watch the weekly TV, only the PPVs, before Super Showdown, the last time I saw Asuka wrestle was in July.

It's so frustrating. She's been dead in the water since Wrestlemania, when she was just a sacrificial lamb to Charlotte, who we've been told since day one is the best and most important women's wrestler in the world, so never needed the win in the first place. To make matters worse, the finish was Charlotte being unable to bridge off both hands on the Figure 8 and still winning - so not only did she beat Asuka, she beat her while not able to perform to the best of her abilities. She literally beat her one-handed.

And then, a couple of months later, we got the Rousey/Nia Jax match, where the build was a hype video saying "Ronda was ready for the UFC, she was ready for Hollywood, she was ready for Wrestlemania, but is she ready for Nia Jax?", when "nobody's ready..." was Asuka's fucking catchphrase!

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WWE did not plan ahead at all with Asuka. They went with Charlotte thinking how big Charlotte v Ronda will be for them when another year of undefeated Asuka v Ronda would have been the way to go.

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The Ronda promo was even worse than it sounded on paper. As bad as the bitchiness was, the actual verbiage was far worse.

“...plagiarised and diluted move sets.”

“...a relic that needs to be eviscerated like smallpox.“

”...make the name Bella into a four letter word that will be remembered as the societal sore it always has been.”

WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THIS?!

Edited by Supremo

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10 minutes ago, Supremo said:

The Ronda promo was even worse than it sounded on paper. As bad as the bitchiness was, the actual verbiage was far worse.

“...plagiarised and diluted move sets.”

“...a relic that needs to be eviscerated like smallpox.“

”...make the name Bella into a four letter word that will be remembered as the societal sore it always has been.”

WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THIS?!

She did a fucking good job with it though. Imagine her with some decent material.

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12 minutes ago, Supremo said:

WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THIS?!

Vince McMahon and only Vince McMahon.

"move sets", though, fucking hell. Playing straight to the neckbeards with that one.

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Ronda's promo was the worst and best promo I've seen in years. The insider nonsense has become such a crutch with WWE and its nearly always bad.  I don't know who'd look at Rousey, an intense, no nonsense whopper of asses and think these are words she should say. Is this what Steve Austin would look like 2018? She turned it round massively though.

Rollins and Drew match up really well. As much as I begrudge Seth every time I see the bloody superplex spot it's over so what do I know. The claymore is cool but seems a bit weak as a finisher, wonder if Drew introduces something else if he gets a ME run.

 

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Yeah, don’t get me wrong, for as bad as the scripting of that promo was it’s indicative of how much Ronda has improved on the microphone that she made it work as well as she did. Considering the material, that should’ve died a painful death. 

Still though, those, “shoot,” lines that everyone has to “drop,” these days in order to get the Rap Battle / Jerry Springer “Oooooooh!” reaction from the crowd forever does my head in. It never ever paints the babyface in a positive light or makes me want to root for them in matches. What happened to actually building some sympathy or heat? Showing a bit of fire or passion? Why’s everyone got to be a smug prick who thinks they’re wittier and smarter than they actually are?

Drew continues to impress. Good match against Rollins then a good angle at the end. Everything about the way he carries himself screams megastar. It’s unbelievable this is the same guy who was in 3MB. Even that Claymore kick looks absolutely boss considering the size of him. Hopefully they strap the rocket to him and go all the way. 

He’ll be sacricificed for Roman within six months, won’t he?

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Playing with "shoot" elements can be fine - after all, on some level, you're supposed to be convincing the audience that it's all real - but they need to be consistent, and not just lazy put-downs.

The Bellas only turned heel in the last couple of weeks - for months earlier, we were being told that the Bellas were at the forefront of the Women's Revolution. But now, because they've turned, we're expected to think, "wait, no they weren't!" and cheer Ronda Rousey for calling them out. It's just lazy, and if they can't be consistent, there's no reason to get emotionally invested.

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That, “LOL, John Cena doesn’t shag you anymore,” thing just felt unnecessarily cruel, too. I dunno, maybe it’s becasue I’ve caught loads of Total Bellas because my wife watches it, but Nikki is presented as 100% sympathetic on that show. To then have the supposed top babyface mocking her about it felt super jarring. 

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It's because the men who write the show have no idea how to write women other than through this weird MRA "they all secretly hate each other, and use sex to advance their careers" lens, and because I'm convinced that Vince McMahon sees friendship as a sign of weakness, so anything other than fighting your way to the top single-handed is to be booed, and anyone presenting themselves as "best friends" are almost invariably heels, or signalling an incoming heel turn.

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2 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

It's because the men who write the show have no idea how to write women other than through this weird MRA "they all secretly hate each other, and use sex to advance their careers" lens, and because I'm convinced that Vince McMahon sees friendship as a sign of weakness, so anything other than fighting your way to the top single-handed is to be booed, and anyone presenting themselves as "best friends" are almost invariably heels, or signalling an incoming heel turn.

I’d never really thought about that before but you’re spot on. It explains why it’s been such a blast starting to follow New Japan this year. There are loads of guys portrayed to have genuine friendships and loyalty. One of my favourite moments of the year was when Kenny Omega won the Title and it was shown to be more important to him that he’d patched things up with the Young Bucks than it was for him to celebrate with the belt, deciding to hug them first. We’d never see something like that on WWE television.

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5 hours ago, Supremo said:

The Ronda promo was even worse than it sounded on paper. As bad as the bitchiness was, the actual verbiage was far worse.

“...plagiarised and diluted move sets.”

“...a relic that needs to be eviscerated like smallpox.“

”...make the name Bella into a four letter word that will be remembered as the societal sore it always has been.”

WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THIS?!

John Cena.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Supremo said:

maybe it’s becasue I’ve caught loads of Total Bellas because my wife watches it

It's 2018, I think it's ok to admit to watching Total Bellas if you want ;)

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