Big Rob Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 The six man tag was good, and I like the idea of Cesaro and Swagger as a tag team, although I guess that might mean fewer long Cesaro matches on Main Event. Besides that, Raw was a bit crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.PeterVenkman Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Didn't think it was that bad, agree that the show's a bit unbalanced but I imagine it'll be sorted after MITB  The womens feud is decent enough, Henry's doing a good job of making himself look a threat to Cena (even though I don't think theres a chance he'll win the belt at any point)  Ziggler and Del Rio is the one match I've already decided to forward through when I watch the PPV, two weak as piss characters who've lost a shit load of matches fighting over the 2013 version of the IC belt (the IC belt itself may as well not exist anymore)  Think the Ryback thing was more interesting than damaging, as has been pointed out, it's not like they could really do much more harm to him anyway  Oh and the way Ambrose stood up after pinning Christian was ace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Did Matt Borne get a Tribute video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 2, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted July 2, 2013 Ziggler and Del Rio is the one match I've already decided to forward through when I watch the PPV, two weak as piss characters who've lost a shit load of matches fighting over the 2013 version of the IC belt (the IC belt itself may as well not exist anymore) Â Yeah. Daniel Bryan making such a big deal about wanting to hold the WWE title and mentioning Sammartino, Hogan and Austin only served to underline what a big deal winning the World title isn't. It's a consolation prize. It's a belt you give to Kane, Show or Mark Henry because there won't be eyebrows raised like there would if they won THE title, or you put on a Swagger, Bryan or Ziggler because you don't consider them ready for real main events yet. So yeah, your IC title comparison is spot on. If the 1990 roster was competing for today's belts, Perfect would have the Big Gold Belt and someone the level of Koko would be swanning around with the IC title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted July 2, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted July 2, 2013 Did Matt Borne get a Tribute video? Why would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 It's a funny old game though. The World title has been on level pegging with the WWE title at times. It closed a couple of different WrestleManias in the middle of the last decade, and even after the Cena/Batista swap, the World title still main evented. When it went back to Raw in 2008 via midcarder CM Punk, you had the likes of Shawn Michaels and Batista fighting for it. Cena held it as recently as 2009, and Undertaker had it in 2010. If the roster was there for genuine main event divisions on two shows, it'd still be important. It's not like there's even a group of wrestlers who are above the World title. It's pretty much just Cena and Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh1007 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Â The other divas thing was even worse. The Bellas seem to have based their acting techniques on bad porn. Naomi and the new girls were crap. Cameron and Natalya were alright, I suppose, but they had no chance in there with that lot. I don't know how they're going to try and pass off anything the twins do as reality TV. Â I couldn't agree more. I've actually been enjoying the AJ/ Katlyn feud thus far mainly because they've had a proper build up(considering it goes all the way back to NXT) and a reason to fight but this week it was just terrible. The rest of the Divas could be replaced with brushes tomorrow and I can't imagine they'd lose anything in the way of charisma. The Bella's are beyond terrible and should be kept as far away from TV as possible regardless of who they're shagging, tho that's obviously not happening. The majority of the division is just utter wank right now. As a side note, seeing as they acknowledged Nattie and Tyson's wedding on Raw with Steph's tweet does this mean that Khali and Natalya are no more? Pity if it is over, it's the most entertaining Khali's been in years. That and I I find Natalya okay at times. Â The Ryback bit was just baffling and stupid but it's already been touched upon so. That and I gave up on Ryback months ago, as I imagine did most people. Â The McMahon/Triple H interactions with Vickie are getting worse every week and aren't entertaining in the least Also, Stephanie can fuck right off. Â Still, Fandango is back which I enjoyed and Mark Henry was awesome as always ("I didn't get that from no Cracker Jack box"). That and the Wyatt Family debuting next week should be great. But I'd certainly agree, it was a terrible Raw this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'd like WWE to use experienced wrestlers on the road more. Holly, the Outlaws, Noble, Booker, people like that. Titus has been on the roster for three years or so now and he's still so bad. The Primetime Players could be money if they could wrestle, but I suppose they've just spent three years arsing about with other losers and NXT scrubs. Give them a couple of months against veterans on house shows and see if it ups their game. On that note, I've been thinking, why the fuck aren't WWE using Finlay? He's back as a road agent, I've seen him a couple of times recently. He'd be the best guy they have for improving the wrestlers you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted July 2, 2013 Awards Moderator Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'm a fan of blacking up Ryback  ?  So, what other person, a bit of a monster like Ryback, did they totally cut the legs off of?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted July 2, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted July 2, 2013 WWE should absolutely use veterans both on the road and on TV to work with their young guys. Considering some of the big names out there that they could easily use, I'm quite surprised that they don't do it much more. I thought that putting the Outlaws on the recent European tour to work with The Shield was a genius move. It created a bit of interest and probably put a few arses in seats purely for the nostalgia factor. I can tell you that seeing those guys live was enough to make me part with twenty notes. Not only that, they were actually good! The likes of Finlay, Regal, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, X-Pac, Scorpio, Goldust can go out and lose every week, it doesn't matter to them. Let them help the next generation. Â Anyway, Raw was a bit of a dud this week. Nothing channel-changingly horrible, but it was just flat from start to finish, which isn't good for a three hour show. When they announced that main event at the start of the show I groaned. I knew this episode was going to drag. Â Did I miss it, or did they not show Bret Hart when running down the former WWE Champions? Seemed odd to me, given they were bumming him just a couple of weeks ago at Bret Hart Appreciation Night. He won't have been happy about that. Â The thing that interests me most is the Wyatt Family. I can't remember the last time they hyped up a debut this much- they closed the fucking show with the announcers telling us they were coming next week, followed by a re-run of the same vignette that they had played earlier in the show. Which was the second vignette they aired. That's mad. I really thought these guys would be coming in a few weeks ago, but the tease has dragged on and on and I fear that they might have fucked themselves with this lot now. I hope they have something shit-hot planned for them, because they have to do something pretty awesome, or they are going to be regarded as an anticlimax of Mystery Partner Savio Vega proportions. Â As much as I'm into the gimmick and have enjoyed them so far in NXT, I haven't seen enough to convince me that they can make waves on Raw. Bray's mic work is where all the strength in the act lies. Once they step into the ring, they've not exactly been pulling up trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Oh and the way Ambrose stood up after pinning Christian was ace  I also loved him doing Christian's handclapping. I didn't get the Christian connection at first and I actually thought he was having a daft moment and mimicking John Lennon and his piss take 'spastic' clapping. Another great little thing I liked was Henry tapping his imaginary watch. I hope he flattens Cena at MITB and I don't see why he shouldn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I am slightly worried that Henry is gearing up for an actual retirement once he jobs to Cena. Â The career retrospective was a bit strange, and everything so far seems to be leading to him losing, crying and then leaving. I'd be gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 That retirement speech the other week was his retirement speech, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah, I think afterwards people were bowled over by his performance and how they should put the title on him, but in retrospect that emotion was clearly from a very real place. Â It would make sense that before he left they'd let Cena chuck him about. Though, perhaps it would have been better still if he'd have been chucked around by somebody who might gain something by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'd love to see Henry win the title and lose it to Bryan. But Daniel Bryan vs Mark Henry isn't a SummerSlam main event, and there's no short-term big name to put against Cena on that show. Plus Bryan getting the big WWE title win over Cena would be bigger than him getting it over Henry, who he has already beaten in world title matches. But if it were up to me, I'd probably have a Henry (champion) vs Cena vs Bryan match at SummerSlam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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