Rey_Piste Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 A combination of splitting with my girlfriend at the time, moving and getting a new job all in the space of a few months, means I've not had a proper internet connection. Apart from the Pat Barry fight, that show was a load of balls. It's a shame after the fucking BJJ clinic that was the prior show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted June 17, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2013 i'm way behind, and i'm buried under another David inspired argument (for a guy that doesn't have time to watch fights, he sure has a lot of time to bitch and moan on a wrestling forum), anyways....* Scored the main event 29-28 Rashad, simply did more in rounds 2 & 3. Rashad at times looked better than ever but i guess Hendo's power made him think twice about really letting it go, still Rashad deservedly got the nod.* Roy Nelson looked shocking. It definitely a case of him getting complacent after winning 3 straight fights via KO. Didn't Roy's weight-loss start after the JDS & Werdum batterings? he started turning the corner but then a few KO wins and he's back to where he was. It sucks because the hype train was really rolling but Miocic just derailed it clinically, Miocic a bit like Rashad held back at times because he's fighting a guy with serious power but it was just a clinic in how to beat that version of Roy Nelson.* Jimmo/Prokrajac was a poor fight, Jimmo basically owned up and said he played safe to save his job, very frustrating though when you see a guy rock someone then play safe in trying to finish...it happened earlier in the night in the Robertson/Pierson fight.Anyone see Igor push his cornerman between rounds? thought that was a little odd.* Wasn't too impressed with the ladies, it was a decent technical battle on the ground but both ladies seemed to lack any kind of power, Davis ground and pound from top position at the end of round 2 was pitiful, Herb was dying to step in but he just couldn't do it because the punches were doing no damage. Sexton's a lady who very deservedly got a crack at the ladies division but she seemed tiny in there, 135lb is just not her division. * Barry/Jordan was heavyweight MMA, that's all it takes. I thought Pat Barry came in too relaxed, but he's that kind of guy i guess. The UFC will keep him around but it's always one step forward, two steps back with Barry.* Shields/Woodley was classic Jake Shields, Rogan had an erection for Woodley early and i think everyone sensed him blasting through Shields but if there's one think Jake Shields excels at, it's making fighters look bad. I thought the decision was correct, Shields was controlling the fight, Woodley did more damage but in this instance the passages of control outweighed the damage.* The other 3 prelims shown on FX were good watches though, think i'd have given Delorme/Figueroa the FOTN nod though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannRead Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 For me whether someone statistically or stylistically has a chance of winning isn't the be all and end all. We've all seen enough upsets to know this and often it's this fact which makes the fight even more spectacular and dramatic and the Carmouche v Rousey fight is a good example of that. The gif above doesn't do the fight justice quite simply because "you weren't there, man" to experience it. You mention the Chael Sonnen hype and on paper that first fight against Silva should have been one sided but not in the way that it worked out and again that's what made that fight the following 2 years so spectacular. As I mentioned earlier Rosi Sexton was obviously meant as nothing more than fodder (further made obvious by Dana's "comments" in the post fight press conference - which BTW thanks to Wandshogun09 for pointing out is on the youtube channel, can't believe I forgot that, I'm just used to downloading it off XWT) to make Alexis Davis look good but that went out the window with the fight they had which again further helped the interest and reaction to that fight. I mean there they were in Canada with Canadian Alexis Davis and as the fight went on that crowd did not want to boo Rosi Sexton. They might not have wanted to cheer for her - but they sure didn't want to boo her (and they were booing during the introductions) and again all this further aided interest / reaction / emotion etc to the fight. But again, just two peoples (the wife and I) opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 i'm way behind, and i'm buried under another David inspired argument (for a guy that doesn't have time to watch fights, he sure has a lot of time to bitch and moan on a wrestling forum), anyways....Yeah, that argument is bollocks. It's a piece of piss to post on here if you're having a slow day at work etc. Besides, he is only replying to stuff after all. Isn't that the whole idea of a forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannRead Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 * Shields/Woodley was classic Jake Shields, Rogan had an erection for Woodley early and i think everyone sensed him blasting through Shields but if there's one think Jake Shields excels at, it's making fighters look bad. I thought the decision was correct, Shields was controlling the fight, Woodley did more damage but in this instance the passages of control outweighed the damage.* The other 3 prelims shown on FX were good watches though, think i'd have given Delorme/Figueroa the FOTN nod though.I'm genuinely shocked that Delorme v Fig didn't get FOTN.For my money Woodley was back to his strikeforce best in having boring fights. He came off of a highlight reel win which he so deperately needed but showed himself up in this fight. Unless it was from a business perspective in that Woodley has more miles than Shields does at this point I don't know why he had such a strop about the result to me Shields was the obvious winner and it seemed most who were watching it were saying the same. Shields certainly pressed the fight more. I still want to see Roy Nelson in the UFC so I hope he re-signs (apparently after the first round his wife was doing her nut at him because of the contract situation). There's a number of entertaining fights left in him against the likes of Mark Hunt, Bigfoot Silva, Shawn Jordan, Pat Barry or he could even get the winner of Palelei v Krylov dependent on how that match goes. He's not going to be fighting anyone above him after that performance in my opinion but I suppose it depends on how the contract talks go and what he can get for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted June 17, 2013 Author Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2013 Figueroa's great to watch. He's not going to be a contender but you can usually rely on him for an all-action fight and win or lose he's consistently been a highlight of any show he's on for me.Anyone who hasn't seen them, check out his fights with Michael McDonald, Francisco Rivera and Bruce Leeroy if you can find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted June 17, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2013 For my money Woodley was back to his strikeforce best in having boring fights. He came off of a highlight reel win which he so deperately needed but showed himself up in this fight. Unless it was from a business perspective in that Woodley has more miles than Shields does at this point I don't know why he had such a strop about the result to me Shields was the obvious winner and it seemed most who were watching it were saying the same. Shields certainly pressed the fight more.yeh, i agree with you're first point. Woodley was never terribly exciting in Strikeforce, but it was always a case of 'this guy has potential to be world class' and against Shield's i just expected Woodley to be able to outstrike Shields if he wanted and even just outgrapple him from a pure wrestling and strength perspective, i was wrong. Rogan said it best, 'Shield is desceptively strong when it comes to grappling' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 How do you mean stacked in her favour? She's the favourite in her fights because she's a very good fighter. She's put in the hard work and she's reaping the rewards.I mean that whenever she fights in the near future, she'll be the odds on favourite. The odds will be stacked in her favour?She's beating good fighters. Tate, Kaufman, Carmouche - they're all credible, skilled, tough challengers. They put the graft in in the gym like the men do and they've all had some really exciting fights. Rousey is on top because she's fucking good.She's beating decent fighters at best in my opinion. As I said, these fighters weren't deemed good enough to warrant a female division within the UFC not that long ago. Why do you feel the need to play down her opponents and diminish her wins instead of giving her credit for beating them? How do you knock fighters you admit you don't even watch?I know you're trying your very best to paint this as me having something against Rousey, which is why you keep ignoring the fact that I constantly have mentioned both her & Cyborg being miles ahead of everyone else in the female game at present.I'm not downplaying her opponents to diminish her wins, I'm downplaying her opponents because they aren't really very good in my opinion (neither are Cyborg's). I've watched FMMA before (as I said I have) before the UFC decided to kickstart the Rousey train, and I've never really been impressed if I'm honest.I don't think the talent in the male division was very good when the UFC first burst onto the scene (they made Ken fucking Shamrock look good for fucks sake) either, but that doesn't mean I'm downplaying the accomplishments of Royce Gracie, does it?I like you Dave but this sort of talk makes you sound like a bit of a snob half the fun of being a fight fan is getting caught up in the hype. That 'type of fan' isn't any worse or better for enjoying the build up to fights, even if they are likely going to be one sided.If knowing that a fight is a bit of a sham and not buying into the hype makes me a snob, then so be it. And why shouldn't people think these women have a shot against Rousey? She's certainly the favourite but she's still relatively new to MMA compared to some women fighters. At some point someone's going to make her look human. What happens when Rousey faces someone like Sara McMann? An Olympic medal wrestler who could possibly nullify Ronda's Judo. Or Cat Zingano, who has good BJJ and is dangerous and powerful on the feet. Down the line there's Holly Holm, 30 odd wins as a boxer, 3-0 MMA, trains out of Jackson's. What happens if someone takes Ronda past round 1? Bloodies her up?I've already mentioned Zingano previously, saying that when & if she faces her I'll maybe give it a watch. McMann & Holm are two that I consider the same as Zingano.I have zero interest in seeing her face what I would call the "old guard" of FMMA, which is the likes of Kaufman, Tate & Carmouche. Those are the fighters that I watched during the old Strikeforce days, and I wasn't really impressed.I don't mean this in a dickheaded way but do you watch any fights if you think one guy is definitely going to win? Or do you always decide what's going to happen pre-fight and don't bother tuning in if you think it's a foregone conclusion? You'd have missed some amazing moments over the years going on like that. Serra-GSP 1, Douglas-Tyson, Werdum-Fedor etc.If I have the time I'll watch all the fights I can, but with the sheer volume of stuff we get these days I can afford to be more picky about what I decide to watch. I'll usually fast forward through bouts that I think are a foregone conclusion, especially if they aren't major title fights (and I don't consider the female UFC title to be a major title at present) or if I don't have any interest in the fighters concerned, or don't think the fights are leading anywhere.We're all going to go around in circles here. You don't like womens MMA, fair enough. There's not huge depth in the division currently, valid point. Doesn't mean there can't be some exciting fights though, and for a division which is still young, most fans are finding the womens fights some of the most consistently entertaining to watch, which isn't bad for a division lacking in depth. It's growing all the time, Invicta are a good breeding ground, this next season of TUF could get more women taking up MMA, as could Ronda's new found 'fame'.Wand, there are exciting fights on promotions like Ultimate Challenge but I'm not watching those either. Again, I don't think the quality is there, and when I'm operating with time constraints I'll usually miss the female fights first.Anyway, you're right, we are going in circles, so I'm happy to leave it unless anyone else posts a reply, in which case I'm obliged to post again on the subject. I may be ignorant and sexist, but I'm polite i'm way behind, and i'm buried under another David inspired argument (for a guy that doesn't have time to watch fights, he sure has a lot of time to bitch and moan on a wrestling forum), anyways....As Keith said, it's easy to post a lot on days when your workload is f'n light, Ebb.Shields/Woodley was classic Jake Shields, Rogan had an erection for Woodley early and i think everyone sensed him blasting through Shields but if there's one think Jake Shields excels at, it's making fighters look bad. I thought the decision was correct, Shields was controlling the fight, Woodley did more damage but in this instance the passages of control outweighed the damage.I've always wondered why Shields gets off relatively lightly for his fighting style when someone like Fitch get's shat on from a great height? Shields hasn't stopped anyone since he subbed Robbie Lawler four years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted June 17, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2013 hardly Dave, Jake Shields fighting style has been shit on for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 hardly Dave, Jake Shields fighting style has been shit on for years.He doesn't get as much grief as Fitch did though, and I'd say that Shields style is even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted June 17, 2013 Author Paid Members Share Posted June 17, 2013 I mean that whenever she fights in the near future, she'll be the odds on favourite. The odds will be stacked in her favour?Oh for fuck's sake. You actually meant odds as in betting odds. OK, I'll admit I can be a thick bastard sometimes. I thought you meant the UFC were 'stacking the odds' in her favour, as in feeding her gimme fights and stuff. Forget I said anything. Right? I know you're trying your very best to paint this as me having something against Rousey, which is why you keep ignoring the fact that I constantly have mentioned both her & Cyborg being miles ahead of everyone else in the female game at present.I'm genuinely not trying my very best to paint this, or you, as anything. Or ignoring anything. I just disagree that the fighters you mentioned are as mediocre as you think. Which is why I see those wins Ronda has as more impressive I suppose. I thought it seemed like you were backhandedly playing down Ronda's wins, if you weren't and it's just that you don't rate the opposition as highly, fair enough. I have zero interest in seeing her face what I would call the "old guard" of FMMA, which is the likes of Kaufman, Tate & Carmouche. Those are the fighters that I watched during the old Strikeforce days, and I wasn't really impressed.Do you not think these fighters can improve though?I've always wondered why Shields gets off relatively lightly for his fighting style when someone like Fitch get's shat on from a great height? Shields hasn't stopped anyone since he subbed Robbie Lawler four years ago!I've always found Shields boring as fuck. He's clearly a skilled grappler but his style just isn't enjoyable. And still after all these years, he always looks absolutely terrified during fights to me. The look on his face during fights, combined with him seeming to want to just hold and wait for the time to run out most times, if I didn't know better I'd swear he was being thrown in the cage against his will. He doesn't get as much grief as Fitch did though, and I'd say that Shields style is even worse!Even worse? Is this you finally admitting that Fitch was a boring sod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Even worse? Is this you finally admitting that Fitch was a boring sod?Never! Seriously though, I know why people don't like Fitch as his style doesn't appeal to everyone, but Shields even bores me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I find Fitch and Shields to be dull as dishwater, but there is a difference.Fitch is a grinder who whilst boring does try and work to do damage. Shields instead either holds for position (Ed Herman) or is so light handed he does not do enough damage when he gets dominant positions (see the Hendo fight)I would rather watch Fitch any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I think Fitch is great at creating the illusion that he wants to cause damage. Going back to UFC 127 for a minute, he hit BJ Penn with about 300 unanswered shots in the 3rd round. Every punch was a pitter-patter hammerfist where he barely lifted his fist an inch away from Penn, just to avoid a stand-up. Penn's face was slightly discoloured after the fight, and the excuse was, "Oh, Penn has really tough skin". Then Diaz and MacDonald caused more visible damage in the next two fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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