Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted September 12, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rey_Piste said:  The entire reason The Postman is shit, because Costner is the focal point of the film and he simply doesn't have the acting chops to carry a film. He only really works as a lead where he has a strong supporting cast, because whilst he does have some charisma, he doesn't ever stand out. It strayed too far from the source material, that’s where it went wrong Maybe they’ll get it right next time Edited September 12, 2019 by Hannibal Scorch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said: That may or may not be the case, but what does that have to do with Costner? He played the role exactly as was required by Brian De Palma and was the right man for what De Palma wanted. If De Palma wanted a portrayal that was truer to life then obviously Costner wouldn't have been a perfect fit. But that's not the Ness we were presented with. All Costner does is ape Robert Stack's portrayal of Ness. What 3 things come into your head when thinking about the Untouchables? For me the 3 things are, Connery's "They put one of yours in the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue" speech. The pram rolling down the stairs shootout and De Niro beating the fuck out of some guy with a baseball bat during a meal. The shootout is all about the editing and cinematography rather than anything Costner does in that scene acting wise. The fact that your leading man is only in one of those 3 scenes and doesn't get the memorable quote from the film really says a lot about how bland he is. Simply because he is literally supported by the rest of the cast. If a film he is in doesn't have an ensemble cast its likely to be decent at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 The pram rolling down the stairs apes Eisenstein in Battleship Potemkin. What stands out for me in the film is an Irish cop having a Scottish accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I don't think it's particularly fair using De Niro and Connery to prove how shit you think Costner is, especially in a film where those two actors get all the showy bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted September 13, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Rey_Piste said: All Costner does is ape Robert Stack's portrayal of Ness. What 3 things come into your head when thinking about the Untouchables? For me the 3 things are, Connery's "They put one of yours in the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue" speech. The pram rolling down the stairs shootout and De Niro beating the fuck out of some guy with a baseball bat during a meal. The shootout is all about the editing and cinematography rather than anything Costner does in that scene acting wise. The fact that your leading man is only in one of those 3 scenes and doesn't get the memorable quote from the film really says a lot about how bland he is. Simply because he is literally supported by the rest of the cast. If a film he is in doesn't have an ensemble cast its likely to be decent at best. So what if all he does is ape Stack's portayal? Actors have aped performances practically since cinema started. So what if he's not the standout part in an action set-piece scene? Why aren't you complaining about Michael Biehn's acting in the Tech Noir scene in The Terminator, by your logic? So what if he doesn't get the most memorable quote? The lead actor hasn't had the most memorable quote in probably thousands of films. Again, this is all utterly irrelevant, just move on for fuck's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Maestro Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Costner is like the Michael Carrick of acting. Solid, reliable, doesn't stand out much but keeps things ticking for the flashier performers around him. And Waterworld is frigging ace. There's been bad actors mentioned on the last couple of pages that have seemed to get a pass. Clive fucking Owen for a start. And I have a slight irrational dislike for Sean Connery for his piss poor performance in You Only Live Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I really wish I hadn’t mentioned him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey_Piste Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr_Danger said: I don't think it's particularly fair using De Niro and Connery to prove how shit you think Costner is, especially in a film where those two actors get all the showy bits. My point is even though Costner is "the star" in that film he doesn't do anything to stand out. In his good films he might be the biggest name on the poster, but if he was replaced practically anyone else the films wouldn't suffer. He's not a complete charisma black hole, but he doesn't have that scene stealing charm compare to many of his contemporaries. The best thing you can say about him is he is competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted September 13, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Rey_Piste said: Or are you confusing it for him being a blank void that you can pretend to be. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 He still reminds me of Weetabix. Fair play for those who like him, he's just someone I have never enjoyed in a film. Glad to see even the Costner fans hate The Postman though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bellenda Carlisle Posted September 13, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 I liked Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I enjoyed it being more aimless and light hearted than I expected, especially as it was so long. The Informer was so dry, I only saw it a few days ago but I can hardly remember it. I like straight to video style action thrillers but this one had nothing to make it stand out at all. I've never seen Anna de Armas in anything before and I can see why everyone is always saying how beautiful she is so it has that going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted September 13, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bellenda Carlisle said: I've never seen Anna de Armas in anything before and I can see why everyone is always saying how beautiful she is so it has that going for it. You really should have watched Blade Runner 2049 by now, come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members mim731 Posted September 13, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 Lets all just agree to disagree on big KC, and settle on Draft Day as Costner's best performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Bellenda Carlisle said: this one had nothing to make it stand out at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted September 13, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I know she's lovely looking, and I am sure a lovely person, but Gone Girl has scarred me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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