King Pitcos Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Surely the only way Ryback can lose is if either Cena or Brock costs him the match. Â Another decent RAW although it did drag a little in places. I really hope that once Sheamus is done fannying about with Big Show he has a proper feud with Barrett, it's not often you get two people having brilliant matches on back-to-back episodes and i really think they could do something special. Fuck that. They work well together, but they've done half an hour or so of TV time wrestling each other in the last two weeks. They should lay off it for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted October 16, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm calling it: Match is re-booked as triple threat with Cena Punk works Cena's elbow throughout, Ryback also knocks it a couple of times when aiming for Punk Lesnar runs down, rips one of the cell walls off, brawls with Ryback Back and forth brawling that spills backstage Punk beats an injured and helpless Cena, after a near huge comeback  Setting up a Survivor Series tag match  Ryback doesn't lose (as much) momentum as he was dragged backstage with Lesnar, Cena doesn't lose heat as he was 'not medically cleared' etc etc and Punk is still champion to keep the Royal Rumble match VS The Rock in plans. That would be just as bad. The ONLY reason he is over is because the fans have finally started backing a winner. Everyone else in the company is a complete loser, who ends up with 3 defeats in a week and suddenly wins the IC title. Ryback is unstoppable and the fans have caught on. If he is outsmarted in a triple threat match, doubt is planted in peoples heads. Another thing, if Ryback wrestles Lesnar, Lesnar will have to win because he's being build for a match with Triple H.  They've booked themselves into a corner now. Ryback has to take the belt. Ryback is in a position like Goldberg was in 98. If Ryback loses any of what the fans are into him for, the gimmick is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 But he'll have to get beaten for it, as he's not going to face The Rock at the Rumble. A No finish of sorts, with it being exciting, wouldn't harm him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted October 16, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 I was thinking they may do a Lesnar run-in too. It makes sense for Heyman to call in his big beast to take out Ryback and help protect Punk. Sets up a big showdown against Lesnar (or a potential tag match with Punk and Cena involved). They'd have to book him even stronger post-HIAC though. He'll probably just become an upper midcard bloke though. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Worrier Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I said at the time that having Rock announce he'd be at the Rumble so far in advance was baffling. It was an anticlimax at the time, he could have come out and waved at Raw 1000 and it would have been better received. It's also achieved nothing over the past few months, other than to let us know he will be coming back. There's been no mention of it, no build up, no seeds sown. All it's done is chart a course in everybody's mind about which way things are ultimately going and I think it's almost been to the detriment of the title picture. Â That said, I think the addition of Ryback to the Main Event in this fashion is a genuinely surprising turn and I can only imagine it's because Cenas arm is nowhere near ready, looking ahead it doesn't add up. I wouldn't even want to second guess which way this is going to go but if they've an ounce of sense, they wont do anything to halt Rybacks momentum. Â It wasn't a bad episode but I found it to drag like f*ck, Big Show kicking off proceedings didn't help. I thought it was crock of sh*t that he pinned Bryan clean. The Big Show/Sheamus feud is marginally more interesting than the dismal ADR effort, but before they've even faced each other that's a concern for Sheamus. He's popular and his matches always deliver, but his programs are missing something, he needs something substantial heading towards Mania to take him up a notch. Â That'll be Cole as a face announcer then, for the time being at least. I was enjoying having two face play by play guys calling the show, not sure i'd want it every week but these two work well together. Coles versatility is admirable. The consummate company man, he's fast becoming one of the all time greats. Â Enjoyed the subtle stuff about Punk clobbering that fan, raised a chuckle. Overall, not a patch on last week but a step in the right direction and HIAC is shaping up to be unmissable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nick James Posted October 16, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 Wouldn't Lesnar doing a run in for Heyman play against his gimmick of being 'Too good for WWE and achieving what he wanted' by coming out to help Punk? He vowed never to return and surely anything other than HHH goading him into a rematch, would make him look abit of a prat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted October 16, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 It's not like WWE don't fuck logic off now and again for a fix/angle. Anyway, it's not a stretch to explain why Lesnar would help his mate/manager and take out a Lesnar wannabe. Â Whatever happens Ryback and his streak is buggered anyway. Best case scenario he holds the belt for a couple of months before The Rock returns and pins him at the Rumble, ending his unbeaten streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted October 16, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 But he'll have to get beaten for it, as he's not going to face The Rock at the Rumble. Â I don't think Ryback losing the title would do any harm provided they have something for him to do afterwards. Ryback has to lose eventually. Â I'm in favour of him winning the belt, it will establish him as a main player in the company and providing he loses the belt in a screw job-ish fashion he sould be fine. The only thing that would fuck him up is if after he lost the belt they didn't keep booking him strong. But WWE these days tend to give people big pushes and then completely forget they exists afterwards, book them like shit and then realise it's too late for them to get over properly because they've fucked around with them for so long. Alberto Del Rio is a perfect example of this, a potential top line heel who's been booked into an oblivion of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 As you can guess from my sig, I am really enjoying the 3 Man Band. Nothing wrong with a few goofy heels banding together for a bit. The fact that Jinder Mahal doesn't even slightly fit in to the group makes it even better. Â Yeah, Slater and McIntyre really look, and act, the part but I don't get why Mahal's with them as he seems so out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm trying to think of something they could do with Ryback if he doesn't take the title. Even if Punk does escape the cell and run home (which is a shit ending anyway) and Ryback then destroys every fucker in the arena and then rips the cell to shreds he's still the man that couldn't get the job done. Maybe he wouldn't lose too much momentum if it was changed into a triple threat and he got distracted through a brawl with Lesnar but he'd then have to beat Brock which probably isn't going to happen. They've got a beast who's over as a rover, they need to fuck off their 'Mania plans and book it around what's best for him. He's the one who's there every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 16, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2012 Indeed. For me Lex Luger never recovered from being seen as a choker. Personally, I'd strike while the iron is hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil is brill Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm trying to think of something they could do with Ryback if he doesn't take the title. Even if Punk does escape the cell and run home (which is a shit ending anyway) Â Even though I suggested it, I totally agree. It's a crap ending for any PPV title match, but it's WWE and they've done shitty endings like this many times in the past. If they aren't putting the title on Ryback, I can't think of any way he'd come out of the Cell NOT looking like the loser Ziggler said he'd end up becoming. Ryback has squashed jobbers for months and months, so to lose his first real match in an environment that totally favours him will just kill him off in my opinion. Â Also, if Ryback does take the title. What's next for him? Does Cena automatically get a title match? Do they further the disrespect angle with Punk by not giving the former champion of 330+ days his deserved rematch? Â It's an interesting time in WWE right now. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing, but they're desperate for new stars and they have a chance to make one right now. Punk won't be hurt by the loss at all. Â Anyone think that this could lead to Brock taking the title from Ryback, then having Brock/Rock 2 at the Rumble where Rock gets his win back from 2002? Then obviously we could have Cena win the rumble, or #1 contendership at the Elimination Chamber? Â Too much shit fantasy booking there for my own good I think, although I did read on nodq.com that WWE want both Rumble and Mania to be huge next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 But then Punk is the hottest heel in the company, so having him not involved at all in the main event picture would be pretty rubbish. Â Really this match shouldn't be happening. Ryback should be stalking Punk over a number of months, really build the excitement of their match. It feels rushed, and I don't think its going to do anyone any favours if either get beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggivizal_Version1.0 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Way to do it is Ryback to beat Punk in the Cell, then spend the next month building up a tag match, maybe Punk/Lesnar vs. Ryback/Cena if they can spare the dates. Â Then give Punk his rematch in a TLC Match, maybe copying the finish of the Sheamus/John Morrison Ladder Match from a few years back, Punk kicks Ryback off a Ladder through a stack of tables, Punk grabs the belt, but Ryback still looks a monster as he's already up by the time Punk's grabbed it. Ryback won't get his rematch due to The Rock at The Rumble, and they can use the next few months to build his Wrestlemania match. Â That said, they shouldn't have exposed Ryback to Punk this early. Holding back another month would set Ryback up for a Rumble victory and then ending Punk's 400 day reign at Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted October 16, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted October 16, 2012 If Ryback loses in a Hell in the Cell match, he's pretty much dead on his arse. Hell in the Cell is where there is supposedly no where to run for the heel, so him losing his first match in that environment could be a big fuck up. Â Another thing is that Ryback hasn't actually beat anyone of note, he hasn't cut a promo and he hasn't worked more than 4 minutes before. If Ryback loses, the bloke has taken a bullet which he probably isn't good enough to recover from. He's caught on because he's an unstoppable monster. As soon as you make a character like that look vulnerable, he's pretty much fucked. They better have a plan for this. Â I think he's winning the belt to be honest. I think the WWE fans are desperate for a new hero. People are saying "it screws up plans for the Rock" and "Lesnar could do a run in", but WWE needs stars now. They shouldn't have to wait for the Rock and Lesnar to get off the sunbed and join us in a few months. If there's a choice between creating a new star and setting up a match involving the Rock (who's never there), the no brainer is you roll the dice on creating someone who could actually be a massive star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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