Paid Members Duke Posted October 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2012 Swagger but really get behind him with a push as an "All american" I'd really love to see babyface swagger, but I think going all american american with him as a face is a mistake. It worked with him as a heel because it's SO obnoxious, and I think it'd come off just as corny if he went babyface. Â Agreed. An all-American babyface doesn't work in this day and age, especially not if it's a big lisping goof like Swagger. Also there's only so many times I can cope with seeing him beat Jinder Mahal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted October 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2012 Swagger but really get behind him with a push as an "All american" I'd really love to see babyface swagger, but I think going all american american with him as a face is a mistake. It worked with him as a heel because it's SO obnoxious, and I think it'd come off just as corny if he went babyface. Â Agreed. An all-American babyface doesn't work in this day and age, especially not if it's a big lisping goof like Swagger. Course it will. All you need to do is put Brodus & Tensai together as this massive natural disasters tag team and terrorize everybody. Make them unstoppable, just like how I saw Taker & Big Show during summer 1999. Everyone wants and knows this should happen anyway, so it has to be done. Make them foreign, even though they aren't, and make sure nobody can body inflict pain onto them. Â Then have Jack Swagger descend from a helicopter and body slam them both at the same time. Instant American hero! Last time something like that happened WWE had the hottest babyface since Hogan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 It could have worked against The Rock. Essentially a really big, popular face that makes him jealous, he feels the reaction of the crowd is unfair. They still could, to be fair, seeing as Rock Cena 2 is looking likely and something will have to happen to freshen that match up. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffbag Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 In TNA its too hard to keep track of who is one which side of the fence to change anyone  That's not really been true for a long time. The only grey areas I can think of would've been Magnus and Samoa Joe recently, but they both seem to have "settled in" now. Disagree - heels and faces but combine as faces when facing Aces and Eights? so you have the situation where Bully Ray is a heel wanting to hammer Jeff hardy yet 20 minutes later he's tending to him after they are having a run in with Aces and Eights?. Casual fan looks on and goes "wtf, shoudlnt they be fighting each other?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffbag Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Randy Orton is another that many feel needs to turn. I'm not sure he needs to turn but he definitely needs to do something a bit different.  Orton isnt capable of doing anything different, playing face or heel he still is essentially the same character with the same mannerisms, same moves, same monotone promo's, just different opponents. That's not true though is it. Aside from the fact that his legend killer persona is different to his apex predator persona, as a babyface he's far more of a silent assassin than as a heel, where he's a cowardly sniper who throws dangerous tantrums and then hides. His expressions, ring work and promo work all have differences between heel and face. His character is mostly consistent from his heel days, but so it should be as he started getting cheered as a heel.  Ziggler is the obvious one, he hears cheers and dumping Vickie (let her cost him the MITB) would be the catalyst. Turning Ziggler babyface would be the kiss of death for him right now. He's a very good worker, but aside from being an obnoxious jock he hasn't got a character. Swagger but really get behind him with a push as an "All american" I'd really love to see babyface swagger, but I think going all american american with him as a face is a mistake. It worked with him as a heel because it's SO obnoxious, and I think it'd come off just as corny if he went babyface.  In TNA its too hard to keep track of who is one which side of the fence to change anyone No, it isn't.  [  Which of Orton's ring work is different as heel or face? What character woudl you use to get Swagger over as a face then if not the all american one? If Ziggler has no character then what character did Shaemus have before turning him apart from Triple H's mate? The best turns are the ones the fans instigate and Ziggler is getting the cheers (see MITB) have him dump Vickie for costing the belt. Give her a fairly high profile heel to be associated with for Ziggler to face in first feud and beat then take it from there Why isnt it hard to keep track in TNA? see earlier post regarding casual fan and Aces & Eights scenerios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If Ziggler has no character then what character did Shaemus have before turning him apart from Triple H's mate? Â Are you confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The Miz could be pretty big if he went face. He's got something, and I'm not quite sure what it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffbag Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If Ziggler has no character then what character did Shaemus have before turning him apart from Triple H's mate? Â Are you confused? No - just countering Duke's comment that Zigger has no character except as an obnoxious heel with asking what character did the last succesful turn (Shaemus) have before he went face. The WWE can create a character for Ziggler to play same as they have done for Shaemus. Â The Triple H comment was mainly saying that the only reason he got a push in the firstplace was because he is Trips pal, same reason why Sin cara is still getting pushed because he was a Trips signing despite been unable to communicate with the crowd except for pointing and Tyson Kidd isnt. Maybe that was off topic but i felt it was relevant but it might not have come across in the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The Triple H comment was mainly saying that the only reason he got a push in the firstplace was because he is Trips pal So you were confused about Sheamus' wrestling character then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted October 3, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2012 Have I misread this thread, or on the previous pages were people saying that Sting's permanently been a goodie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffbag Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The Triple H comment was mainly saying that the only reason he got a push in the firstplace was because he is Trips pal So you were confused about Sheamus' wrestling character then. in what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted October 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2012 It could have worked against The Rock. Essentially a really big, popular face that makes him jealous, he feels the reaction of the crowd is unfair. They still could, to be fair, seeing as Rock Cena 2 is looking likely and something will have to happen to freshen that match up. Big picture of the belt Well yeah, I know, but that doesn't really change anything does it? The first match was the most important match of all time already, having Rock have a belt on his shoulder doesnt change too much  Which of Orton's ring work is different as heel or face? So you agree his promos and expressions are different then? It's fairly typical baby face/ heel stuff, he's a bit flashier and less methodical as a baby face, he really milks the draping ddt, I'm not sure he even does the Orton stomp anymore (though I can be corrected on that). He's not turned into Sin Cara, he's still a consistent character, but he's more like a hitman and less like a serial killer. Also, lest we forget this What character woudl you use to get Swagger over as a face then if not the all american one? If I'm honest I'm not sure. I hate to sound like a perv but the wrestling hero arse kicker wouldn't do him too much harm. To be honest, as a heel I'd have him be Josh Koscheck. Just a big frat boy jock, as a face it's harder, but if you go all american he can't do it without being really obnoxious about it and I don't think that'll work for him. Kurt Angle could get away with it because of his Olympic background and the fact that he's much, much better. Swagger can't.  If Ziggler has no character then what character did Shaemus have before turning him apart from Triple H's mate? Apart from being a huge Irish arse kicker who bullied his way up the roster, beat some names and intimidated people? Sheamus' character isn't complicated, but it was much easier to turn him face. He just keeps beating people up. Ziggler is a show off. Apparently.  The best turns are the ones the fans instigate and Ziggler is getting the cheers (see MITB) Getting cheers from a smart crowd at one pay per view is not the fans instigating a turn. If he's still getting pops come December then maybe Why isnt it hard to keep track in TNA? see earlier post regarding casual fan and Aces & Eights scenerios That's how invasion angles work. See nwo, wcw invasion and nexus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The Triple H comment was mainly saying that the only reason he got a push in the firstplace was because he is Trips pal So you were confused about Sheamus' wrestling character then. in what way? Â what character did Shaemus have before turning him apart from Triple H's mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted October 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2012 Have I misread this thread, or on the previous pages were people saying that Sting's permanently been a goodie? That seems to be what they were saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted October 3, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2012 The only long term wrestlers who jump out off the top of my head as never switching are Ricky Steamboat and Tito Santana. Don't think either ever went heel. Also did any of the Von Erichs ever go heel? Â I'm guessing there's a few who switched who I'm leaving out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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