Paul2j Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Winner of Jacare vs Belfort (especially if it's Jacare) will be next in line for the Title shot I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 But Jacare lost his last fight, the carry on with Romero doesn't change that. Bisping has won three straight, including against the former best fighter in the world. You'd be hard-pressed to look past Bisping for that opportunity of a title shot, plus it'd do pretty decent numbers I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted May 12, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted May 12, 2016 Give Bisping the nod myself. Â He's in a better position now than he has been in years post Anderson and it's an easy number considering Bisping won't have too much longer left. He's a decent draw, will sell the shit out of the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 If Rockhold wins and Belfort wins I can see him trying to get a fight with Vitor, he feels cheated and usually mentions it in every interview, to be honest I don't really care about it but he obviously does, so who knows what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2j Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Gave Jacare the decision myself. Think Bisping is a win away unless both Weidman and Belfort win their respective fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted May 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2016 As much as I would like to see Bisping given a shot, I think it's just bad for the guy's health putting him up against Rockhold again. Rockhold mauled him last time around and Rockhold has gone onto another level since then. The problem with Bisping is he just isn't elite level in comparison to Weidman, Rockhold, Romero and perhaps Jacare. Depending how Vitor looks after this weekend off the sauce then I may include him in that list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2016 if Bisping doesn't get it now (i'd like to see him get it), he has to be guaranteed a shot if he beats Whitaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2016 anyone heard this? Â Â it's a recent podcast with Dada 5000 regarding the Kimbo fight, his recovery and all that stuff. It's a good listen and despite the fact that it was one of the worst fights in the history of anything, Dada still manages to spin it to benefit himself, he's a great promo no doubt, the guy needs to be a pro wrestler. He makes some wild accusations about being spiked in the fight and that pretty much all of Kimbo's backyard fights were fixed, even says that Houston Alexander was paid off to lose when Kimbo fought him in the UFC (given the fight i'm inclined to think that that could be true). Well worth a listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2j Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bisping has stated that he hasn't been offered the Whittaker fight or any other fight. Would think they're waiting to see how Jacare vs Belfort and Rockhold vs Weidman pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016  even says that Houston Alexander was paid off to lose when Kimbo fought him in the UFC (given the fight i'm inclined to think that that could be true). I'm calling bullshit in his claim, but he's picked the right fight to cast aspersions on.  Alexander fought an alien-style. He just circled endlessly for a large part of the fight. Also, Slice did have top-control over Alexander at one point, not something you would expect given Kimbo's lack of grappling skills. It also went the distance, so there would have been no requirement that either took a dive. If the UFC were indeed inclined to fix fights, they would want to cover their bases. Accusations of fight-fixing in the past have been made when a fighter gives up guard too easy or falls to the ground without much contact.  However, I'm inclined to believe that this was due to Alexander's limitations as a fighter. By 2009, it was clear that Alexander was out of his depth in the big leagues. If a mid or lower tier fighter didn't trade with him, they could beat him handily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 If there is a fight fix, it would be a third party fixing the fight and then one or both guys knowing about it. Â The UFC would never put their company on the line for Kimbo numbers, I think he fought one more fight and was gone. Â You might get a lower tier guy and offer him double his purse and put on a big bet, like has happened in Tennis recently but most top tier athletes would say no to taking a dive and almost no league would want any part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 If there is a fight fix, it would be a third party fixing the fight and then one or both guys knowing about it.  The UFC would never put their company on the line for Kimbo numbers, I think he fought one more fight and was gone.  You might get a lower tier guy and offer him double his purse and put on a big bet, like has happened in Tennis recently but most top tier athletes would say no to taking a dive and almost no league would want any part in it. Solid point. If the fix was in, the call would have probably come from Kimbo's camp - with the offer of money for Alexander's cooperation.  In the Zuffa era, I've yet to see proof of the UFC meddling with the outcome of a fight. The most dodgy thing I can recall was when they were accused of brushing one of Belfort's tests under the rug. I believe before his fight with Jones. Forrest Griffin's post-fight failure in 2009 also raised my eyebrows, as the UFC didn't acknowledge it for quite some time after it occurred.  As proven with Elite XC and Cage Rage, attempts to fix a fight usually leaked out. It's more trouble for the UFC than it's worth to tamper with fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I remember someone putting big money on Hominick to beat Yves Edwards at the US Vs Canada show and there was a bit of suspicion. Hominick was largely unknown out if Canada (was moving up from 145 as well) and Yves had been top 10 for a good few years but looking at the aftermath Yves Edwards lost a lot of fights straight after and was on the regional circuit for a while and Mark H ominick had a decent enough UFC/WEC run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted May 13, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted May 13, 2016 Â Â If there is a fight fix, it would be a third party fixing the fight and then one or both guys knowing about it. Â The UFC would never put their company on the line for Kimbo numbers, I think he fought one more fight and was gone. Â You might get a lower tier guy and offer him double his purse and put on a big bet, like has happened in Tennis recently but most top tier athletes would say no to taking a dive and almost no league would want any part in it. Solid point. If the fix was in, the call would have probably come from Kimbo's camp - with the offer of money for Alexander's cooperation. Â Yeh, that was the extent of Dada's accusations. Nothing he said implied the UFC was in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 There's still one major hole in DaDa's claims  In losing, Alexander killed off his UFC career. Especially in the way he lost. If it was fixed, they designed the fight to make Alexander look like crap. If true, Kimbo's camp must have made a generous offer, as the rewards were there if Alexander impressed. If Alexander would have won, there was an excellent chance he would get another payday in the UFC, and perhaps one more after that.  I'm still calling bullshit, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was true. With the shifting betting lines before the Kimbo vs DaDa fight, it's possible that fight was meant to be pre-arranged. It's possible that after information surfaced online that the fix could be in - they decided to fight honestly instead. I'm sure most wish they would have fixed it. Surely one of them taking an early dive would have been better than what we got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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