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Yes, but there are ways around it, such as paying commission only.

 

It's a factory job so they should be paying me minimum wage. Really I should've walked out as soon as they mentioned that it wasn't the job that was advertised. (more hours but much less pay per hour). I figured it was because I'm being paid through an agency but the girl who signed me off said I should still be getting minimum wage.

Agency or not, you should be on minimum wage. Fuck the Job Centre (if it's like my local branch, their advice will be along the lines of, "Not my problem"), go speak to CAB.

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Yes, but there are ways around it, such as paying commission only.

 

It's a factory job so they should be paying me minimum wage. Really I should've walked out as soon as they mentioned that it wasn't the job that was advertised. (more hours but much less pay per hour). I figured it was because I'm being paid through an agency but the girl who signed me off said I should still be getting minimum wage.

Agency or not, you should be on minimum wage. Fuck the Job Centre (if it's like my local branch, their advice will be along the lines of, "Not my problem"), go speak to CAB.

 

My job centre is okay actually. My mate used to work there so I know some of the advisors socially and the ones I don't have been pretty cool with me. One even added some stuff to my book o' lies when I hadn't filled it in right.

 

I decided to speak to the agency first but there doesn't seem to be any reps on backshift but one of the boys I work with was insisting that we were getting

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Unless you've been amassing a collection of CCJs, then I wouldn't worry too much.

 

I've finished my first full week at this new job, and I have very mixed feelings. It's shit hours, professionalism in the office is next to non-existant, organisation and training is a joke, and I could quite happily beat with a hammer all but one of the people in my department.

However, I've exceeded my targets threefold (and none of the regular staff have even reached theirs), I'm being looked on as a golden boy and the hilariously unattainable incentive (iPhone 5) will be mine in 2 weeks at this rate.

 

So, do I stick it out, make money but go insane, or risk fucking it off for somewhere with better hours, a better reputation, but where I don't do as well?

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So, do I stick it out, make money but go insane, or risk fucking it off for somewhere with better hours, a better reputation, but where I don't do as well?

Stick it out whilst looking for somewhere with better hours. Get your iPhone and a steady income; beggars can't be choosers and all that. Besides, plenty of people have undesirable jobs that encompass plenty worse than working in an unprofessional workplace. Get through it and move on when the opportunity arises and you can tell prospective employers that you exceeded your targets every time.

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Yes, but there are ways around it, such as paying commission only.

 

It's a factory job so they should be paying me minimum wage. Really I should've walked out as soon as they mentioned that it wasn't the job that was advertised. (more hours but much less pay per hour). I figured it was because I'm being paid through an agency but the girl who signed me off said I should still be getting minimum wage.

Agency or not, you should be on minimum wage. Fuck the Job Centre (if it's like my local branch, their advice will be along the lines of, "Not my problem"), go speak to CAB.

 

My job centre is okay actually. My mate used to work there so I know some of the advisors socially and the ones I don't have been pretty cool with me. One even added some stuff to my book o' lies when I hadn't filled it in right.

 

I decided to speak to the agency first but there doesn't seem to be any reps on backshift but one of the boys I work with was insisting that we were getting

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So, do I stick it out, make money but go insane, or risk fucking it off for somewhere with better hours, a better reputation, but where I don't do as well?

Stick it out whilst looking for somewhere with better hours. Get your iPhone and a steady income; beggars can't be choosers and all that. Besides, plenty of people have undesirable jobs that encompass plenty worse than working in an unprofessional workplace. Get through it and move on when the opportunity arises and you can tell prospective employers that you exceeded your targets every time.

Forgot to mention that I've got an interview with a company on Wednesday with a company offering better hours, a better reputation and pretty much identical money, but where there's a risk I don't take to it as well as I have at the current place.

I feel a bit at odds with the idea of walking away from what is reasonably easy money, and as good a chance as any to get back into an upwardly moving career.

 

Firstly the Jobcentre is not a law office and as such the staff are not trained in the legalities of national minimum wage etc.

I don't mean to be horrible, but, your attitude to work sounds terrible. You have to work long hours? So what it's real life. If you feel that shit then look for other work rather than signing on, I cannot see how anyone would rather sign on than be self supporting. Mind you, if your friends are in there and falsifying your information then they are just as bad for encouraging you, and they are also committing fraud.

There's working long hours, and then there's working long hours with 6 hours of commuting added to it. Getting home at 2am and then having to scour the ads for suitable vaccancies? When would be you be avaliable for interviews? If you're three hours away, it's not like you can arrange one for in your lunch hour or blag it off as a dental appointment.

 

I've long held a belief in the importance of "employmental health". I've known no end of people over the years who can't seperate their work and social life, and end up spending all their free time moaning about work, and every spare minute of the working day trying to sort out their personal life. It's not healthy for them, and not productive for the employer.

I'm an old fashioned guy in that I like to go to work in the morning and worry about nothing but that, and at the end of the day switch off and go home. If I'd spent three hours on a bus, getting home at 2am and knowing that I had to be up at 4am for the next shift then there'd probably be videos of me on Liveleak by now.

 

But yeah, don't be going back to JC+ unless you absolutely, absolutely have to (although yours sounds infinitely less unpleasent than mine). Nothing local is going to pay less than you're already on (unless it's one of those self-employment scams), so go flip burgers for a couple of months and enjoy the extra hours in bed.

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Firstly the Jobcentre is not a law office and as such the staff are not trained in the legalities of national minimum wage etc.

I don't mean to be horrible, but, your attitude to work sounds terrible. You have to work long hours? So what it's real life. If you feel that shit then look for other work rather than signing on, I cannot see how anyone would rather sign on than be self supporting. Mind you, if your friends are in there and falsifying your information then they are just as bad for encouraging you, and they are also committing fraud.

 

To clarify, I wasn't going to go into the Job Centre to ask about the legality of not being paid minimum wage, I was going to ask for advice about whether I'd likely be sanctioned for refusing to work for below minimum wage. Secondly, my advisor didn't falsify anything. I'd written the six activities in my book like I was asked to but didn't realise it was supposed to three per week so four or five of them were in the first week. Instead of sanctioning me for it (which she could have done apparently) she explained what I'd done wrong, asked me for another couple of things I'd done that week and added them for me. I had actually done them all and more so it was hardly fraud.

 

I wasn't saying "My mates work at the Job Centre and let me away with everything!!!", I was trying to say that the staff have always been really helpful, as opposed to the staff at Baz's one. That could be because I've spoken to a few of them outside it, or it could just be a much better Job Centre. I'd never spoken to that particular advisor before that day, for example, but she still didn't fuck me over.

 

Where did I say that I'd rather sign on than be self supporting? I'm not talking about quitting and living off JSA for the rest of my life. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't have applied for this job in the first place would I? I would've at least have walked out as soon as I realised that it wasn't the hours and pay that were advertised. I am looking for other work, but like Baz said, it's not exactly easy with these hours, I can't even search on my break at work because it's in the middle of nowhere and I don't get a signal on my phone.

 

But yeah, don't be going back to JC+ unless you absolutely, absolutely have to (although yours sounds infinitely less unpleasent than mine). Nothing local is going to pay less than you're already on (unless it's one of those self-employment scams), so go flip burgers for a couple of months and enjoy the extra hours in bed.

 

That's a good point. As nice as the staff have been in my Job Centre, I still hate going there and hate being unemployed in general. I'm applying to anything and everything I can find right now, as you said, it's not like I can be paid any less and travel alone would make anything better than what I have been doing.

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When did interview expenses become a thing? (I don't mean for people on JSA, just in general).

 

I just got

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I've never been offered travel expenses for any job I've interviewed for. I've never even claimed it back when I was on JSA because theres all the providing receipts and shit.

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Judges rule in favor of girl who claimed workfare schemes were unlawful.

 

This is going to cause a shitstorm. Hundreds of people have been made unemployed so that employers can take advantage of the free labour, and Job Centres up and down the country have been criticised for telling claimants that taking these posts is mandatory.

 

I particularly like how the DWP have made no attempts to apologise for this, instead focussing on how they'll be changing the guidelines to ensure they don't have to repay anyone who has had their payments stopped dishonestly.

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Judges rule in favor of girl who claimed workfare schemes were unlawful.

 

This is going to cause a shitstorm. Hundreds of people have been made unemployed so that employers can take advantage of the free labour, and Job Centres up and down the country have been criticised for telling claimants that taking these posts is mandatory.

 

I particularly like how the DWP have made no attempts to apologise for this, instead focussing on how they'll be changing the guidelines to ensure they don't have to repay anyone who has had their payments stopped dishonestly.

and less than 24 hours later, they're extending the schemes instead... because y'know, fuck the courts or something, I dunno.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9...e-unlawful.html

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This should be interesting, as potentially a lot of other cases will now come to court using this ruling. And as much as they may not like it, the legislature and the executive are bound by the ruling of the judiciary.

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Good. The idea that private companies are getting a taxpayer subsidised workforce is sickening. If Poundland/Tesco or whoever have a job vacancy it should be filled with someone on a proper wage. I'm more surprised that the reactions I've seen to this have been pretty mixed, some people claiming 'they're lazy'. Do people fail to grasp that we're subsidising private businesses or don't they care & are just clouded as soon as 'benefits' is mentioned.

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Good. The idea that private companies are getting a taxpayer subsidised workforce is sickening. If Poundland/Tesco or whoever have a job vacancy it should be filled with someone on a proper wage. I'm more surprised that the reactions I've seen to this have been pretty mixed, some people claiming 'they're lazy'. Do people fail to grasp that we're subsidising private businesses or don't they care & are just clouded as soon as 'benefits' is mentioned.

 

They do, benefits is pretty much a slur word these days in certain circles.

 

Now that this has been opened up, how long is it going to be before Universal Jobmatch and its utter shitness is exposed and causes further embarrasses the DWP?

 

Some have my clients have been sanctioned for nothing because of this new 'system'. A system which is going to mess up a lot of people's lives if it becomes mandatory. An even bigger laugh is that some DWP/JCP staff are going to be sanctioning themselves because of it. I wonder how they'll get out of it?

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