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* I used to quite like Mauro Ranallo as a commentator, but I can’t stand him anymore. I don’t know if he’s always been bad and I’m only starting to notice or I enjoyed him by him being the best of a bad bunch, but he had a shocker here. ”Kyle O’Reilly is home!. The Vancouver, British Columbia native...”, so he’s nowhere near home is he. Vancouver to Toronto is a 2,614 mile/40hr drive, it’s like when Neville was in London and was from “just down the road”. And he loves saying “supine position” doesn’t he? And finally, fuck off with your “instant classic” shite.

* That bit in Dream/Strong/Dunne where they were all punching eachother, what the fuck was that shit? 

* I don’t know if the crowd wasn’t mic’ed right or what, but they seemed to from making noise to deathening silence all throughout the show

* I think the only person excited to see Austin Theory was himself

* Yim/Bayzler didn’t do anything for me, but that’s pretty much how I am with Mia Yim in general

* Cole and Garagano went 50+minutes. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. The Canadian Destroyer, or whatever Adam Cole calls it, means diddly-squat after all that. They can’t do Cole v Gargano again, it’s done

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Disagree with most of the above posts.

I thought it was a solid event. Not the best, but solid, which is generally in the ‘good’ region.

Tag titles match was better than I expected. I thought Profits brought more to the match than I assumed they would. For the first time I was able to see them as worthy champions, not just characters. If they can build on that energy and aggression they displayed at Takeover, I’ll be happy to keep watching them.

Yim vs Baszler was underwhelming. Yim does nothing for me and Baszler ended up in the bottom match on the card (IMO) for the 3rd takeover in a row. Shame, I highly rate her. But the shine is fading. Being a solid bully doesn’t work if you have your mates doing run ins. She needs to fuck them off.

3 way was really good fun, as expected. Surprised Dunne received the pin, but happy Dream has retained. Not sure what’s next for him though.

Lo Shirai was tremendous and looked mint as a heel. This was my match of the night. I can see this feud going on for a while, looking forward to where they go with it. But yeah, super fun match.

Main event. 1st fall went on a bit longer than needed. Fun transition in to 2nd fall. Quite enjoyed the 2nd fall and it was my favourite out of the 3. Final fall was alright, but overkill. 2 falls would have been fine, but the 2nd fall being falls count anywhere. Just my preference.

What i’d Like going forward.

Shayna fucks off her shit mates. Gets back to being a brutal bitch, holds title until January and leaves NXT as part of Rumble.

Shirai/Candice - I would like to see this feud develop and go on for a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this match and want to see where it goes. Maybe add the belt to the feud if Baszler drops it in Jan.

Bring up British Strong Style as a unit, have them feud with Undisputed Era.

Have Ciampa feud with Cole on his return.

I don’t have a fucking clue what to do with Dream. I think it’s time he bed to Raw/SD. Yup, I’m concerned they’ll ruin him, but I don’t think he needs to be world champ in NXT. It’s just delaying things. He has outgrown NXT. In fact he has probably outgrown wrestling in fairness.

 

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22 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

What don't you like about Pete Dunne out of interest?

I’m not sure I like his caveman look for a SRS GRAPPLER. His face is hilarious anyway, but it’s just ridiculous with the long hair and shit beard. I really enjoy watching him, but he looks way more like a comedy jobber now than a main event guy. He’s perfect for pulling funny faces when a diva kicks him in the balls during a backstage skit.

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I actually quite like Gargano and I'm a fan of Adam Cole but what the actual fuck was that main event?! Convoluted, self-indulgent, indy wank-fest of the highest order just with better production values... And this is coming from someone who considers himself a Young Bucks fanboy so I'm certainly no old school wrestling purist by any stretch.

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6 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

* I used to quite like Mauro Ranallo as a commentator, but I can’t stand him anymore. I don’t know if he’s always been bad and I’m only starting to notice or I enjoyed him by him being the best of a bad bunch, but he had a shocker here.

Same. Never usually care about him one way or other but it felt like he turned it up to eleven on this show. He was completely insufferable during the main event. 

I think watching Cole/Gargano in five sittings helped me not hate it as much as I normally would, although that's a dead give away about how overlong it was. Feels like they've long jumped the shark with these Takeover main events. Not even the Meltz was a fan of it. Dread to think what their future bouts will look like if the feud continues.

They really need a shake up in NXT. Would love to see the likes of Keith Lee, Dunne, Dijakovic, Riddle etc. breath new life into the main event picture. Hell, just bring all of British Strong Style in, they should be making stars out of Tyler Bate and Pete Dunne already. Tag division needs the bodies as well. They desperately need fresh women too, Shayna's made mince meat of the division god bless her.

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The problem is Gargano - he can only really do indy wankfests.  This main event was just AWFUL and fast forward material and that's been increasingly the case through all of his top level run.

Cole I like but I think he was better as a North American level champ than the top guy.  Move the whole of UE up to Raw, they're not going to get any fresher or more ready.

As Mr Squash says, there's a ton of talent in NXT so let's start pushing some other people.  Lee, Riddle, Dream and Dain should be the main event scene.

Women's division is more interesting - still love Bazsler but I think Io Shirai should get a run with the title.  I know she's meant to be a heel now but she's so over she might as well go up against Shayna as a tweener type character.

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You could do a multi-women match at the next Takeover (November?) to get the belt off of Bayzler and onto Shirai, and you can have a face take the fall which stops Bayzler from losing. I know she has been beaten before, but this would keep her strong.

As for the men, I think Dream would benefit from a run with the main belt as a face, but he’d need to have someone carry the matches. He’s a phenomenal character, no doubt about that, but in-ring he’s still developing. He’s not bad by any stretch, but there’s still work to be done there.

Gargano can fuck off to 205 Live, he’s outstayed his welcome in NXT

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I enjoyed Takeover, not as barn burning as previous efforts but a decent show. the main event was full of ridiculous kick outs and not selling of supposedly high impact moves, might be personal preference but i dont like that style much.

I think, on this occasion, the main Summerslam card was better than Takeover, which hasn't happened for ages.

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Yeah, I thought this was probably the weakest Takeover in a long time for me, and the main event played a large part in that. Both women's matches were great, but I didn't think much of the opening tag match - just felt like an uncoordinated spotfest, and the most exposed Montez Ford's weaknesses have been yet - and the Triple Threat had a ton of contrived, over-ambitious "moments" that took away from its strongest parts. The main event was just a slog, though. I was practically screaming at the TV for them to get to the end of the first fall, let alone the entire match.

Way too much no-selling, moves for moves' sake, Adam Cole's awful bunny hop Canadian Destroyer, and the culmination of a year of them fucking up Gargano's character by having him, the babyface, be the one to take an intentional DQ in the first fall. The steel cage covered in WWE's standard selection of gimmicked weapons just looked like a hokey children's playset, particularly as the majority of them didn't come into play. If all they wanted was for a cage match with weapons coming in to play, they could have accomplished that the same way they set up the tables being in there - have the weapons brought into the ring during the second fall, so they're trapped in there with them for the final fall. It felt like that entire gimmick was to allow for there to be an otherwise pointless platform on one corner of the cage to set up their big spot.

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9 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

As for the men, I think Dream would benefit from a run with the main belt as a face, but he’d need to have someone carry the matches. He’s a phenomenal character, no doubt about that, but in-ring he’s still developing. He’s not bad by any stretch, but there’s still work to be done there.

Gargano can fuck off to 205 Live, he’s outstayed his welcome in NXT

I think these are both good shouts. 

Is 205 still going to be a thing when SmackDown moves to Fridays? If it’s sticking around, it could definitely do with a few new faces. Gargano wouldn’t add much to the main shows right now, and both him and NXT need to move on from each other. He’d be a big shot in the arm for 205.

And Dream absolutely should be the top star of NXT for the next year or two. He’s one of very few homegrown single male talent success stories of the performance centre era (who else is even in that category? Corbin? Braun was never on NXT except as an extra). He’s young enough that there’s no rush to get him on the main roster. He can hold his own in the ring with much more experienced wrestlers. There are plenty of workrate guys to surround him with for at least ten Takeovers as well. Especially if they start sending main roster guys down to NXT. 

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