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47 minutes ago, Accident Prone said:

Did he shag your missus or lock you in the cloak room at school or something?

I gather that you disagree with the statements concerning his douchebaggery?

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I've read online today I think it was that now nxt is going onto like bt sport or whatever it's going on vince has apparently said that he is thinking about taking over the overall running of it all 

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6 hours ago, Kfogg1991 said:

I've read online today I think it was that now nxt is going onto like bt sport or whatever it's going on vince has apparently said that he is thinking about taking over the overall running of it all 

Where online?

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Wrestling Observer were saying it may go to Fox Sports 1 in October and become a 2 hour live show to go head to head with AEW

Went to bed during the women’s title match and will probably catch up with those last 2 matches after the football today.

Io Shirai is great.

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Really disappointed in that Takeover. Nothing grabbed me, there was nothing truly standout, and the landscape feels exactly the same after it as it did before it. All the champions retained, nobody was elevated, nobody got their comeuppance; it may as well never have happened.

The Tag Team Title match was good, but nothing more, and of the past year of "open Takeover with a hot tag match" it'd have to rank near the bottom. It had the world's least enthusiastic "this is awesome" chant (long-hair-sunglasses-guy in the front row caught my eye, he looked catatonic as he chanted and clapped along. DON'T SAY IT'S AWESOME IF YOU DON'T THINK IT IS MATE), and the crowd only came properly alive when Montez tried for the People's Elbow... but then he didn't hit it.

Io Shirai has a character now, which is great to see. Her match established that, but no more than we'd already seen on TV, and it's not like there's anywhere for her to go as heel with Shayna still champion.

I'd have rather Riddle and Dain had a match on the show. I don't know when the next Takeover is but I can't see them dragging this out until then.

Velveteen Dream's entrance was by far my favourite part of the show. We've all said it but that man exudes, sweats, shits, pisses, radiates charisma. He is a dream and it is such a shame I have absolutely no hope for him to realise his potential. The second he's stuck on those same-again sets facing Ziggler he's dead and he'll never reach the heights he should. Match was alright but made me wonder if Undisputed Era are moving up. I only caught one mention on commentary of the "draped in gold" story, which was from Beth and not followed up on, and you would have thought if they were ever actually going with that, it would have been here where all the UE were in title matches. Apparently not.

Speaking of commentary, Mauro had a shocker. Reference after reference after reference, none of which will age well and most of which already sound dated, and completely disingenuous sounding JR-alikes after big moves. His "mamma f'n mia" after the cage fall could have been taken off one of the videogame pre-records.

Women's Title match was the only time I've ever not been invested in a Shayna Baszler match. I can't stand Mia Yim, Shayna being put on the backfoot just doesn't work, nobody believed Yim was winning, and the match itself was verging on boring most of the time.

At least it was something slightly different though, which I can't say for the main event. The "Johnny Gargano Kicks Out Of Everything Match" was amazing and thrilling the first times we saw it against people like Andrade, but now it's just his routine and it means you just can't get invested in the matches. I don't think I believed a single near fall for this entire match because Johnny Gargano Kicks Out Of Everything. There's no tension or drama to it anymore. Why Adam Cole even bothered trying to pin him, I don't know. After eleventy million matches he should surely know Johnny Gargano Kicks Out Of Everything by now.

The whole thing felt like we'd seen it all before. Mainly because we had, granted. Superkicks and Canadian Destroyers and Superkicks and Superkicks and Superkicks. The first fall ending in a DQ just made me think we're getting another rematch after this. Considering Gargano's reasoning for the last fifteen rematches have been that he's beaten Cole as well as Cole beating him, handing Cole the first fall like that is almost certainly going to be used to justify yet more superkicks.

The Street Fight felt like it was filling time - there was no natural reason to go through the crowd other than to show the wrestlers were shorter than most of them. 

All the plunder in the Cage could have felt like something different, but for the most part they used the tables and chairs, which they'd had access to anyway. And there were moments - which they've done in all their matches - that took me completely out of the "what a draining, exhausting match" aesthetic they were presumably going for. When you're chucking Kendo Stick shots at each other over and over or you get hit with eight superkicks then bounce right up to hit twelve of your own with no selling, it isn't fighting spirit, it's me playing with action figures when I'm eight. It's about the same level of realism.

To quote Butch's immortal Shane Douglas post, "if you have to make it clear to the crowd something's an epic, then it's not a fucking epic".

The last bump was impressive, but Cole won but not decisively so we've got more rematches to look forward to, and Johnny's still a loser even though he Kicks Out Of Everything. No thanks.

Disappointing show.

 

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3 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Was it more or less pretentious than the Shawn vs HHH 7 hour 3 Stages of Hell match from 2002?

I’d say it was less self-indulgent, but a bit more wanky.

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5 hours ago, Weezenal said:

Where online?

Had a google and found this so presumably this is what he’s referring to. Based on the wording it sounds very much like Meltzer was speculating about what might happen as opposed to stating something as a matter of fact. 

I enjoyed the show, the Io Shirai/LeRae and opening tag matches stood out to me. 

Io’s heel mannerisms were superb, getting separated from Sane may end up being the best thing that ever happened to her.

The main event...I just couldn’t get into it. There was no way it wasn’t going to go to that third fall given the stipulation and that totally removed the drama away from fall two. 

The cage match was fine. The mason problem for me may be Adam Cole. There’s something very bland about him and I don’t particularly buy him as champion. Maybe I’m biased against Adams for some reason, I feel exactly the same about Adam Page. 

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I enjoyed the show but it's certainly not up there with the best they've done. I don't have any issues with feeling like there was no mass changes or steps forward because there shouldn't always have to be. I'm all for champions retaining if it's the right call, and at the moment I don't think its the right time to be switching champions too quickly or taking it off someone like Shayna just for the sake of it. 

Talking of Shayna. Fuck knows what was going on with those two but it was up there with the worst Takeover match in recent memory. It didn't work at all. I know they have tried to build Mia up over a few weeks but it wasn't enough to make her feel ready.

Street Profits are good. Very good. Lots of potential. But not at the level of some of the teams before them and that was noticeable I felt. A good match but we're often treated to better.

Enjoyed seeing that side of Riddle. He seems like a genuine threat physically and I like that.

North American match was enjoyable. Those guys work well together. It's a shame Strong is so weak on the mic considering how great he is in ring. Hoping for more Pete Dunne going forward. And obviously Dream was Dream with that entrance. No one can touch him.

Main event was what it was. I'm a big fan of both of them and I did get caught up in it all but I'm quite happy to let that feud go now.

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I was in attendance last night, and it had a rather strange feel crowd-wise. Admittedly I was up in the cheapo seats so I don't know how it might have felt further down or indeed how it came across on TV, but in the arena it seemed to go inorganically from near silence to "This is awesome" in milliseconds. Big moments were met with a bit of reaction, then seemingly 30 seconds of 'prep' before the "mamma mia" chants was cued up.

It really felt like the crowd was playing a role rather than actually enjoying the show. Maybe didn't help that I was sat right in front of the section 'comedian', though...

That all said, as a live experience the show breezed by, even though my personal interest in NXT is probably as low as it's ever been. If you asked me to list the 50 acts across all the brands I enjoy most/have most interest in, I think only Dream & Dunne would make the list of those who had matches on the show last night.

We were so high up we could see the weapons-laden cage over the top of the curtain concealing it, so that wasn't much of a surprise.

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So Io's heel persona is making goofy faces and shaking her head, while still doing all the flashy moves she is incredibly popular for as she's beats the face clean.

#OLDMANSHOUTSATTHESKY

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I'd have to disagree. I don't think she was nearly as over as she could've been previously. Popular sure but she hadn't won them over like Kairi and there was little character development. What she's doing now is so much better even in a short space of time. She doesn't need to change her style.

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Weird intro with the static crowd shot while the opening video package played. By design or was that a production goof?

My dodgy stream kept fucking up during the opening tag but what I saw was decent. Montez looked like a star as usual. Liked the peoples elbow tease but he should nip that in the bud before people start expecting it. Surprised the Street Prophets picked up the victory in this one. I'll laugh my arse off if they vacate the belts at the next set of tapings, before moving on to the land where stars go to die. 

Io vs Candice was a good showing for both and more than justified their inclusion on the card. Obvious that whoever put this match together has been watching the G1, what with the poison ranas and trading Germans etc. This felt like New Japan on fast forward and I could've done with more selling. As much as I like Lerae - and I fancy the pants off of her, so next time I moan about Vince pushing the blondes down my throat you can call me for the hypocrite I am - the originally planned feud of Io vs Kairi Sane would have been so much better. Poor Candice hasn't had much character development beyond being Johnny's girlfriend, and she had little chance going over the cool new heel, so the crowd were dead flat for her.  Good match, but hearing those "this is awesome" chants actually made me angry watching it. It got me thinking about Kairi Sane, and how she's gone to complete and utter waste in the shitty, contemptuously booked, diva's division.

Io's so much better as a heel, her one facial expression practically demands it.

Talking of facials, could you imagine if Kyle O' Reilly was in that triple threat match instead of Roderick Strong? Kyle, Dunne and Dream in a threesome, preening, gurning and goofing. I don't think I could handle all those facials! Why this was a threeway in the first place I don't know. Not loving Pete's new look, he stood out more when he was clean cut, and what's the green about? Velveteen is way behind the other two in terms of polish but I thought his selling was phenomenal. Matched peaked whenever Roddy went on an offensive tear, especially those awesome running forearms. Felt like they were teasing a future Roddy babyface turn here. Overall the match was alright but I'm sick of the contrived multi-man spots. Love Roddy, but I'd rather a Dunne vs Dream singles feud. Stunned that Dunne ate the pin.

Haha no fucker knew who Austin Theory was.

Riddle is a stud that's absolutely pissing charisma, but Christ, he's gonna be dead in the water if he doesn't stop this 'bro' bollocks. Also, totally not into this feud with Killian Dain at all, bro. Dude just keeps jumping him for no apparent reason, bro. Boring.

I love Shayna Baszler to pieces - best heel they've had since '11 Mark Henry - but not even I gave a shit about the women's title match. Aside from some excellent video packages, Mia Yim's been built terribly. Crowd didn't care either by the sounds of it. Poor match, Shayna looked off all night and I'm starting to think Yim is a bit rubbish. It makes me laugh how the babyfaces that Shayna feuds with always use Duke and Shafir as an excuse to act like dicks, resorting to kendo sticks and ghetto beatdowns, as if the two of them are reason that Baszler is the champion. Because, yet again, Shayna wins clean as a whistle! 

Who the hell's left for Baszler to put to sleep now?

Gargano vs Cole was match of the night, despite being predictably overlong and wanky. Was hoping the final fall would have a loser leaves town (NXT) stip, because I'm done with Johnny. I was never particularly keen on his phoney HBK cosplay act in the first place but that Ciampa feud killed him dead for me. I did love the visual of the cage coming down from outta nowhere and that they used no escape rules. Well done Paul!  But Jesus Christ, Cole took some horrific chair shots to the head in this. Cody has clearly raised the bar and this lot can't help themselves. Had to laugh at the crowd booing in disappointment at the lack of thumbtacks. Didn't like the finish. I watched the replays and I'm still not sure what they were going for and they didn't really do anything with the barbed wire. Maybe that's what the crowd deserved after shitting on the pliers reveal. Nothing else two say about these two, I find them so uninspiring.  

Commentary was dire all night. Usually I can tune these three out but they were noticeably shit tonight, Beth especially.

Decent show overall but NXT has certainly lost its lustre. Even when the card looks flat going in they usually deliver a banger of a show, but this wasn't it. Nothing of note happened. Harsh on the guys putting their bodies on the line in the main but this Takeover was completely missable.

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@HarmonicGenerator pretty much said everything already that I was thinking. This was definitely one of the less interesting TakeOver's, on paper and in reality. 

The tag title match wasn't at the same level as the typically brilliant TakeOver tag title matches. It was fine, but that's as good as it got I think. 

Pete Dunne does nothing for me so I was fighting an uphill battle in the triple threat, but it really peaked with Dream's entrance. Way, way too many convoluted three way spots. It would have been much better as Dream Vs Dunne or Dream Vs Strong. The right man won though. 

The main event was the typical Gargano/Cole overkill. Meltzer probably loved it, but it wasn't my cup of tea. Gargano went from being a really hot baby-face to completely unlikeable. That Ciampa feud fucked him completely. Self indulgent nonsense, as their whole program has been, and I'm afraid we're probably heading for more of it. It doesn't feel like there is anything particularly hot at the moment in NXT. 

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