jimufctna24 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 The problem with the Primetime shows is that they only wheel them out for the big fights (which makes sense), but it just so happens that a lot of those fights feature GSP. His training & build-up to a fight isn't going to change much, so it's always going to get boring. A bit like the 24/7 series that HBO do for boxing. Mayweather is an interesting guy, but after two or three series it gets old watching him argue with his father and wave stacks of money around. Floyd never gets old in my opinion. Pac-Man is usually watchable as well, GSP is the only one who does this thing regularly that bores me. I may be in the minority though as he still draws big on PPV. I can stand it more when his oppenent is the focus like with Hardy and BJ, but when it is someone like Shields it makes for tedious viewing.  I can agree with the point you are making, but the UFC can pick and choose. They have never done a Primetime on Anderson Silva who is a massive star maybe due to him not speaking great English?, I think Jones will get the Primetime treatment in his next fight. The most effective Primetime was Rampage vs Rashad, that was excellent and effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift89 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I would expect all 3 of Jones/Evans, Sonnen or Bisping/Anderson and GSP/Diaz to get the Primetime treatment should the fights take place. Now they have the Fox deal it is much easier to make these shows and then put them on Fuel as that is basically there channel. Hence I expect we will see these more regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 If only Sonnen/Bisping wasn't a last minute fight, imagine how good the Primetime would have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmcstyles Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Any news on the prelims. What they are being shown on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 UFC.tv as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 22, 2012 The thing is, whilst St-Pierre/Diaz is the fight we all want to see, I think I'd class Condit as a more dangerous opponent for St-Pierre. I'm pretty sure that St-Pierre takes Diaz out via unanimous decision or referee stoppage late on in the fight. Â Yeah me too. I think Condit actually has a slightly better shot at GSP than Diaz does. I dunno why but it's a feeling I had from when they were meant to fight in October. He's more unpredictable on the feet than Diaz imo, Diaz is very effective with his hands but you know it's boxing he's coming with. Condit throws punches, kicks, elbows and knees from all angles. And on the ground he usually finds a way to end up in good positions and he can turn a fight around (like his fights with MacDonald/Ellenberger). Â Not saying for sure he can do that with GSP but I think he's been slightly more effective against strong wrestlers than Diaz has. Â Apparently GSP could be ready to fight the winner in the summer too. Man, this summer's gonna be huge if everything falls in place we could be seeing GSP/Diaz, Silva/Sonnen 2 and Dos Santos/Overeem all in the summer. Even if things don't go according to plan, we'll still be seeing Anderson/Bisping, St-Pierre/Condit & Dos Santos/Overeem, which isn't too shabby! Â It's a can't lose situation for sure. Anderson/Bisping would be a fresh fight (although I'd predict that would be Anderson/Forrest levels of one sidedness), GSP/Condit would be interesting for the reasons above and JDS/Overeem is a no brainer. The 2 best Heavyweight KO artists fighting to crown the undisputed champ. Â Of all the possible scenarios I'm not that bothered what we get because they're all great fights. But I really do hope Anderson vs Sonnen 2 does come off. Â Training wise, was it ever made public what the plan was had GSP - Condit gone ahead? Would they both have trained away from Greg Jackson or would he train one of them or even both? Â I'm sure I read recently that GSP said he and Condit had never actually trained together despite having many of the same coaches and training partners. Condit was mostly in Jackson's in New Mexico and GSP spends a lot of time training at Tri-Star in Montreal. So I'm sure it would have been easy enough to work out. Â Greg Jackson said publicly that he wouldn't have trained either of them. He also said they'd have split the coaches up. Firas Zahabi, John Danaher and Phil Nurse would probably be with GSP and Condit would get Mike Winkeljohn and whoever at Jackson's gym. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I have to disagree that Condit is more dangerous to GSP than Diaz. Â I think Diaz can clearly outbox GSP, I am not sure Condit can do the same. Plus I also think if/when GSP takesdown Diaz that Diaz could submit him. If you watch the Cyborg fight with Diaz it is amazing how quickly and easily Diaz from the bottom armbars Cyborg and Cyborg is no slouch with his BJJ. Â Yes GSP can smother Diaz, but Diaz has the heart and the cardio to withstand GSP for a great amount of time. If Diaz gets past Condit and looks good doing so, I think GSP will have a real challenge on his hands. Â I am not saying I will pick Diaz, but I would favor him more than I would favor Condit against GSP. Condit has struggled in the past with grapping by Rory Mcdonald and Martin Kampman, I think GSP would face a easier time takedown and damaging Condit then he would Diaz. Â The only thing Condit may have over Diaz is that one punch/kick knockout power, but we all know how safety first GSP is since the first Serra fight, he does not take many risks and leave himself open to much. Diaz could force GSP into fighting with his constant combos and pace, I am not sure Condit could do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 22, 2012 All good points and I guess we won't know for sure until these fights happen. Â I think style wise they're both similar for GSP. Both dangerous strikers with good jiu-jitsu. Both have granite chins so I don't see GSP finishing either and both have heart to come back from tough spots to win (see Condit vs Ellenberger/Rory and Diaz vs Daley). Very similar. I don't see either stopping GSP's takedowns. Â The main reason I think Condit has a better chance is that he's been slightly more effective against good wrestlers. Rory and Ellenberger were throwing him about but he still found ways to end up in good positions and even finished Rory in the very last seconds of a fight he'd have lost had it gone to the judges. Diaz hasn't fought a solid takedown artist since he fought Gleison Tibau and Sean Sherk all the way back in 2006. And they're not even true welterweights. Â He did stuff BJ's attempts a couple of times but I doubt he'll stop GSP. Penn's got decent takedowns but GSP's are another beast entirely. Â Another point to think about is the style GSP has used the last couple of years is either circle and jab for 5 rounds (Kos/Shields) or relentless takedowns and taking very little risk on the ground (Alves/Hardy). As good as Diaz is off his back I don't see him catching GSP. Â The gameplan GSP uses if/when him and Diaz finally do meet will be interesting, because when he fights a dangerous grappler he usually keeps it on the feet and keeps them away with jabs but I don't think he'll wanna risk boxing with Diaz. The nearest style opponent he's had to Diaz was probably BJ Penn so I think he'll try what he did in their second fight. On the feet Diaz has a different style, faster pace and longer reach than BJ so it's riskier. I think he'll use jabs and kicks, hold him against the fence and when he does get him down I can see him staying safe and just working short punches and elbows. Which could be bad for Diaz given his past problems with cuts. I know he's not cut for a while since the surgery but no-one's really taken him down and roughed him up like GSP can do for a long time. Â I'm not totally writing off Diaz and I think if GSP decides the ground game is too risky and decides to stand like his last 2 fights, Diaz's chances improve massively. GSP is a very good technical striker but if he chooses to stand with Diaz I think he'll lose. Diaz is always a threat on the ground but really the only way I see him catching GSP is if he hurts him first and gets a sub while he's rocked. Â All in all, the old saying 'styles make fights' is appropriate here I think. My thinking is that Diaz has a good style to beat Condit but I think Condit actually has a slightly better style to beat GSP. Although realistically I think GSP will probably beat both in very similar looking fights. Hopefully all them fights will happen and we'll get a true answer on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I would like to think that Diaz has improved his takedown defence but we will not know until he fights a decent wrestler. Training with Jake Shields must have helped a bit over the years though. I would like to argue he battered a wrestler in Frank Shamrock, but bless him wrestling was never Franks strongest area. Â One thing that does raise my confidence is that Diaz was able to scramble against BJ, who outgrappled Fitch for the most part of their fight. Its all styles make fights though, as said above. Â I think another point is that GSP has never fought anyone with a bottom game to trouble him, Penn, Alves and Fitch may have great BJJ, but they do not have the long limbs that Diaz has that help throw up triangles and armbars of their back like Diaz does. Â I also think Condit while having a heart of a lion got very lucky that Rory Mcdonald gassed in that fight, I am not confident in Condits grappling skills at all when face wrestlers. Ellenberger has also improved greatly since he fought Condit the first time. Â This is not a knock on Condit he is a legit top 10 WW, maybe even top 5. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 22, 2012 I think another point is that GSP has never fought anyone with a bottom game to trouble him, Penn, Alves and Fitch may have great BJJ, but they do not have the long limbs that Diaz has that help throw up triangles and armbars of their back like Diaz does. Â That's a good point. Them guys are all top game specialists. Diaz is more of an all round threat on the ground and maybe actually better off his back than he is on top. Â Anyway, fuck GSP . Diaz vs Condit is where it's at for me. That's a fight I always loved the idea of but never thought we'd see with Diaz in EliteXC/Strikeforce and Condit under the WEC/UFC banner. If someone said this time last year that by early 2012 we'll have seen Diaz vs Penn, Wanderlei vs Cung Le, Lesnar vs Overeem and Diaz vs Condit I'd think it was a pipedream. All them fights are ones I'd thought about but truly never expected to see. Â For all the talk of a Zuffa monopoly in buying Strikeforce I couldn't be more chuffed personally. If this is a monopoly keep that shit coming. It's actually good for Strikeforce fighters aswell because before Zuffa bought it it was a sinking ship, at least now they know if they keep winning their job is safe. The company isn't going under unless Zuffa pull the plug in which case they'll be moved to the UFC anyway. Much more secure than it was when it was bleeding money and co-promoting with M-1. Â Â If this isn't a FOTYC come the end of 2012 I will shit in my Nan's inhaler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yeah Diaz vs Condit is going to be epic. That and Bisping vs Sonnen are the 2 fights that I cannot wait for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 23, 2012 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 Diaz Highlight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fpzj73u4js  Condit Highlight  Diaz vs Condit trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtxHfOxQuR8  If these don't get you up for this fight fuck all will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
444 4444 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I like Condit's fights but he was boring as hell on that primetime show. Nick provided more entertainment in 20 seconds when he started explaining the fire alarm story. That photo is hilarious too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here are some more great Nick Diaz Highlight Reels. Â Â Â Â I think Diaz could become one of the sports biggest stars in the next few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think Diaz could become one of the sports biggest stars in the next few years Until he get's busted for weed or soundly beaten by GSP. whichever comes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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