Paid Members Bellenda Carlisle Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 As with nearly 100% of the "proper" ECW talent that went to WWE (Sandman, Sabu, Balls Mahoney, Super Crazy, etc) there was no chance they were going to last because they weren't cleverly-booked small fishes in a tiny pond anymore, they were small fishes in a massive pond who didn't have Paul Heyman behind them and had to get by on talent and ability they didn't actually have to begin with.True, but if they were going to employ them anyway they could've used the same protective booking, not everyone needs to be a complete all-rounder and I think variety makes wrestling a lot more fun.Nothing wrong with using people for their strengths, now it seems like most superstars are good wrestlers, most superstars have a similar physique, everyone is given the same chance but who gets over is based on working the crowd, it's a bit dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Here's the thing though - why bother giving special protective booking to someone with as limited potential as Sandman? At some point, he's going to have to get into the ring, sans weapons, and wrestle a 20 minute WWE main event against John Cena, and he's going to look completely shit doing it. Then you'd have wasted all that booking and rub.In ECW Sandman could smash foreign objects over Tommy Dreamer's head for 10 minutes and you'd have a PPV main event. That's just not the WWE, and it never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 I think all things considered the ECW guys did aswell as they possibly could have done in a WWE environment.Sabu had some fucking cracking matches with Big Show too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 The ECW guys like Dreamer, Sabu, Sandman all had something decent about them, or we'd be talking about why Tommy Cairo, Johnny Hotbody, and DC Drake weren't better utilized in WWE. They just weren't as good as Heyman made them look. It wasn't like he was polishing turds with those guys, more like he was polishing rocks and making them look like diamonds. Ditto for guys like Public Enemy, who had at least one good team member. When he got down to guys like Bilvis Wesley and Chilly Willy, there was nothing he could do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted January 9, 2012 Author Awards Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2012 The ECW guys like Dreamer, Sabu, Sandman all had something decent about them, or we'd be talking about why Tommy Cairo, Johnny Hotbody, and DC Drake weren't better utilized in WWE. They just weren't as good as Heyman made them look. It wasn't like he was polishing turds with those guys, more like he was polishing rocks and making them look like diamonds. Ditto for guys like Public Enemy, who had at least one good team member. When he got down to guys like Bilvis Wesley and Chilly Willy, there was nothing he could do with them.Wasn't Chilly Willy in WWE developmental for a while? I'm sure I read rumours that they wanted to do something with him based around the fact he was a military medal-winner (he won a Purple Heart, I think?) - similar to what TNA did with Jesse Neal when he started there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted January 9, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 9, 2012 Chilly Willy ruled, for the record. He was mine, yours, and everyone's homeboy. He probably was my favourite thing in ECW towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'd put Christian on his return to the WWE in this. If the rumours are correct he was supposed to come back at the Rumble but McMahon decided that too many people nkew and threw Matt Hardy into the mix instead just to show the WWE Universe that he had to "shock" them. Cue his return on ECW just walking out onto the stage when he should have been at Mania against Jeff Hardy.Crowd were behind him and Vince decided not to push him.I think Christian having two World title reigns is far more than Christian warrants, so I don't agree with the above at all.Agree with Del Rio, though. I've said it before but I think he is well-rounded and has all the tools to become a top card mainstay for a long time. However, WWE creative seemed to be a bit uninspired after a while for him, and just stuck his whole routine on repeat. Destiny this, my name is that. Hopefully this lay-off will give the creative team time to think how to book him once he returns in-ring. I like him in a wheelchair while he's injured though, always a nice angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrasslin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'd put Christian on his return to the WWE in this. If the rumours are correct he was supposed to come back at the Rumble but McMahon decided that too many people nkew and threw Matt Hardy into the mix instead just to show the WWE Universe that he had to "shock" them. Cue his return on ECW just walking out onto the stage when he should have been at Mania against Jeff Hardy.Crowd were behind him and Vince decided not to push him.I think Christian having two World title reigns is far more than Christian warrants, so I don't agree with the above at all.Agree with Del Rio, though. I've said it before but I think he is well-rounded and has all the tools to become a top card mainstay for a long time. However, WWE creative seemed to be a bit uninspired after a while for him, and just stuck his whole routine on repeat. Destiny this, my name is that. Hopefully this lay-off will give the creative team time to think how to book him once he returns in-ring. I like him in a wheelchair while he's injured though, always a nice angle.Del Rio bores the hell out of me and I'm sure I can't be the only one. I'm not even sure why. His ring work is solid and that's been enough to carry some guys in my esteem, but I really just can't care about him on the mic, or about anything he's doing at any given time. I've never bought a PPV on the basis that Alberto Del Rio is going to do something I wouldn't want to miss. I don't think it's lack of push, he's just very very bland to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 Chilly Willy ruled, for the record. He was mine, yours, and everyone's homeboy. He probably was my favourite thing in ECW towards the end.I thought he was absolutely pointless, but then Doring and Roadkill were easily my favorite ECW act at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Doring and Roadkill turned up in TNA at some point and looked loads of fun, don't know why they weren't kept on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm still confused about Danny Doring and Roadkill's gimmick. Roadkill is a big amish guy...but why is he called roadkill? And why did he have a fixation on chickens? Amish guys don't drive cars. And Danny Doring didn't have much of a gimmick but he was definitely some kind of sex pest as his fisher was called Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am and he proposed to Lita by putting a condom on her finger...so why were a sex pest and strangely named amish guy teaming together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny McBride Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm still confused about Danny Doring and Roadkill's gimmick. Roadkill is a big amish guy...but why is he called roadkill? And why did he have a fixation on chickens? Amish guys don't drive cars. And Danny Doring didn't have much of a gimmick but he was definitely some kind of sex pest as his fisher was called Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am and he proposed to Lita by putting a condom on her finger...so why were a sex pest and strangely named amish guy teaming together?Creative had nothing else for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 I used to love that their double team finishers were appropriate to their extremely different gimmicks - The Lancaster Lariat of Love, and the Buggy Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JLM Posted January 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 9, 2012 And Danny Doring didn't have much of a gimmick but he was definitely some kind of sex pest as his fisher was called Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am and he proposed to Lita by putting a condom on her finger...According to Doring it was originally going to be a porn star gimmick called Dirk Doring, but he scrapped the idea because Val Venis debuted in the WWF at about the same time and he didn't want to look like a cheap imitation. They kept bits of it and just went with the sort of flamboyant womanising playboy thing instead. Danaconda, Bareback, Panty Drop Elbow, G Spot Suite... oh ECW. I loved Doring and Roadkill; it's always fun when two drifting wrestlers work out far better than expected as a team. I quite enjoyed that Booker T and Goldust run the WWF did a while back too.Chris Chetti though, I never rated Chris Chetti. Was he rubbish or was it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted January 9, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 9, 2012 You're right. He was fucking awful. If his cousin wasn't Taz he wouldn't have got as far as he did. He probably wouldn't have become a wrestler at all seeing as Taz trained him. So Taz has a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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