the psmag ps50

[PowerButchi]

The real problems is with the indies he does use. Namely only ROH. Davey Richards at #3, but Sami Callihan not in it at all? Fucking bullshit But the fact is that Fin can't be arsed looking past the end of his nose. Especially the giant Lucha filled gap. For example, does anybody actually think Dim Fin's seen even one episode of Superstars in 2011? I doubt it. It's the "PS50 of the 6 feds I watch, and I don't like two of them".

[Rosler28]

Bully Ray is in top 50. Thats a positive. Hes had a great year. Thought hed have been higher though, one of the best heels this year.

[iamtheman]

i didnt think bully ray would be in at all so that was a nice surprise.

[ColinBollocks]

Bully Ray had the best TNA match this year, that's not Hogan v Sting. He has the worlds largest calves too.

[iamtheman]

i think he deserved it i just didnt expect to see him there.

 

should be higher as well as others have said

[NorthSeaTiger]

I just counted the ones I ain't seen a match from and it came to 29. So I have only seen/recognised 21 of those guys. And even then they were in ridiculous places. Ziggler at late 30's? Punk at back end of top 10? Guess he is either completely out of touch with the reader base, or genuinely thinks this list makes him look like he knows what he's talking about.

[King Pitcos]

If Fin really thought the Baguri Tenagukos and Davey Poundlandbenoits meant anything to his audience, he'd put them on the cover now and again. He knows well that the perverts make up a very small portion of his market. His list (and PS in general) serves only to reinforce existing opinions -- the child-pornographers see it and feel vindicated that their high-school gym amateur hour shows are better than wrestling that people actually watch, and firm non-fapperoos see it and feel vindicated about the masturbators just being laughable circle-jerk cultists, and indie/Japanese wrestling only appealing to such people. The truth is probably somewhere in between (though much closer to the latter), but PowerSlam just entrenches the divide.

 

I expect there's a load of casual readers who are picking it up for the first time over Christmas and are just confused by the list. Three of them will have their interest piqued and become the next generation's Dirty Eddies and Fin Martins, one will keep buying just to disagree with it, and the rest will just not buy the magazine again. Mind you, the list was equally as shit last year. Fin's miserable editorial approach can't have harmed the magazine lately, can it? It's not like we've seen PowerSlam have to cut its issues per year or anything.

[Big Rob]

If Fin really thought the Baguri Tenagukos and Davey Poundlandbenoits meant anything to his audience, he'd put them on the cover now and again. He knows well that the perverts make up a very small portion of his market. His list (and PS in general) serves only to reinforce existing opinions -- the child-pornographers see it and feel vindicated that their high-school gym amateur hour shows are better than wrestling that people actually watch, and firm non-fapperoos see it and feel vindicated about the masturbators just being laughable circle-jerk cultists, and indie/Japanese wrestling only appealing to such people. The truth is probably somewhere in between (though much closer to the latter), but PowerSlam just entrenches the divide.

 

I expect there's a load of casual readers who are picking it up for the first time over Christmas and are just confused by the list. Three of them will have their interest piqued and become the next generation's Dirty Eddies and Fin Martins, one will keep buying just to disagree with it, and the rest will just not buy the magazine again. Mind you, the list was equally as shit last year. Fin's miserable editorial approach can't have harmed the magazine lately, can it? It's not like we've seen PowerSlam have to cut its issues per year or anything.

I remember back when all I knew was WWF Heat on Sunday afternoons and a bit of Hammerlock on ITV which at the time I didn't like. A few months later when I read a Powerslam mag, I didn't decide to never read again because it was talking about people I hadn't heard of before - it kind of interested me as to who these guys were. The list would be even more ridiculous if it was a top 50 of WWE guys, TNA guys who used to be in WWE and one or two token Japanese or indy guys just so a casual fan doesn't have their brain hurt too much. I can kind of see your logic, but I think the problem is more that Fin seems to hate WWE, or at least certain kinds of wrestlers in WWE, rather than his love of the indys and Japanese wrestling being a problem.

[LaGoosh]

It's not like we've seen PowerSlam have to cut its issues per year or anything.

 

Powerslam is probably the cheapest magazine to make in the history of Earth. I'd imagine he doesn't have to sell many of them to even break even.

[PUNQ]

I think he's just made a good few of the names up. Or he might as well have, for all the value they have. Any consensually sexually active reader's eyes will just skip over so many nobodies being written about. The worst thing is, he's even doing a disservice to his apparent aim of promoting Japanese/indie wrestling to people outside the perverts. Because if there was only one Shugaki Jizzukimo or Kenny Kickpads that nobody's ever heard of in the list, people might go "here, this lad must be worth watching." But when there's an absolute sea of them in there, they don't stand out -- it just makes it look like a joke of a list that's only credible amongst pederasts, and persuades humans they're better off ignoring all that shite.

If Fin really thought the Baguri Tenagukos and Davey Poundlandbenoits meant anything to his audience, he'd put them on the cover now and again. He knows well that the perverts make up a very small portion of his market. His list (and PS in general) serves only to reinforce existing opinions -- the child-pornographers see it and feel vindicated that their high-school gym amateur hour shows are better than wrestling that people actually watch, and firm non-fapperoos see it and feel vindicated about the masturbators just being laughable circle-jerk cultists, and indie/Japanese wrestling only appealing to such people. The truth is probably somewhere in between (though much closer to the latter), but PowerSlam just entrenches the divide.

Wow. Am I missing a inside joke or something or is this kind of attitude actually accepted and the norm around here? Or maybe I'm just offended that I'm one of such people who actually bother to watch anything else then WWE/TNA. But to critizes a list just because it has a lot of them on it like Takitinurashi Fukuokai really is borderline, you know what. I understand that your general message is that the list doesn't really representative for that Powerslam report on or names they use to sell their mag, but to dismiss 'foreign' wrestlers like that just because they don't work for the all-mighty WWE or that the general Powerslam follower doesn't know much about them just open ups for accepted ignorance.

 

When it comes to ranking lists I don't really care much about placings apart from wrestlers getting some deserved praise. Hiroshi Tanahashi has been the top guy in New Japan all year defending their IWGP belt a record number of times. Sadly I can't comment on how good he has been or if it's deserved as I haven't seen any of his 2011 footage, but from experience from the previous year he's been one of the best mainsteam heavyweights in Japan so it's not surprising he gets some knowledge in the mag. I see there is a lot, maybe too many, Dragon Gate wrestlers on the list, but I guess their style is the easiest for indy fans to get into because of the speed and spottyness of their Toryumon style. Still I feel they might block out guys that do deserve to be on the list to make it more over-all representative list of the world wrestling scene.

 

 

 

--PUNQ--

[Prince Nana]

what anoy's me is that if anyone is anti anything WWE and pro indie they get jumped on (quite rightly) but to be to be the oposite (if it's not WWE/TNA it's insignifigant) seems to be aceptable.

 

I know about 35 of that list but didn't count how many I've seen this year i've only just started to get into ROH and Dragon Gate, so would be better placed to give better placed to give opinon's next year. But I did recogise a few Dragon gate wrestler's on that list.

 

Ive been wacthing a lot of NWA hollywood but I don't think i've seen anyone from it on that list I'd say at least Adam Pearce should be in with a shout Who personaly I tihnk is great.

 

Any argument against a wrestler because you don't know who he is more based on ignorance alougth fin do's seem to be a little biased. but if I see such and such at no16 and I don't have a clue who they are I leave them alone it's only fair.

 

but I do think somtimes lists such as these should be seperated.

 

To compare a Randy Ortan who is a "superstar" sports entertainer to a Davey Richards who is primarly workrate is very dificualt. To me it's alomst two different worlds.

 

I personaly tend to feel that WWE is prity much segrgated fromt he rest of the wresting world and is it's own entitly, so should perhaps have it's seprate list.

[Dirty Eddie]

I think he's just made a good few of the names up. Or he might as well have, for all the value they have. Any consensually sexually active reader's eyes will just skip over so many nobodies being written about. The worst thing is, he's even doing a disservice to his apparent aim of promoting Japanese/indie wrestling to people outside the perverts. Because if there was only one Shugaki Jizzukimo or Kenny Kickpads that nobody's ever heard of in the list, people might go "here, this lad must be worth watching." But when there's an absolute sea of them in there, they don't stand out -- it just makes it look like a joke of a list that's only credible amongst pederasts, and persuades humans they're better off ignoring all that shite.

If Fin really thought the Baguri Tenagukos and Davey Poundlandbenoits meant anything to his audience, he'd put them on the cover now and again. He knows well that the perverts make up a very small portion of his market. His list (and PS in general) serves only to reinforce existing opinions -- the child-pornographers see it and feel vindicated that their high-school gym amateur hour shows are better than wrestling that people actually watch, and firm non-fapperoos see it and feel vindicated about the masturbators just being laughable circle-jerk cultists, and indie/Japanese wrestling only appealing to such people. The truth is probably somewhere in between (though much closer to the latter), but PowerSlam just entrenches the divide.

Wow. Am I missing a inside joke or something or is this kind of attitude actually accepted and the norm around here? Or maybe I'm just offended that I'm one of such people who actually bother to watch anything else then WWE/TNA. But to critizes a list just because it has a lot of them on it like Takitinurashi Fukuokai really is borderline, you know what. I understand that your general message is that the list doesn't really representative for that Powerslam report on or names they use to sell their mag, but to dismiss 'foreign' wrestlers like that just because they don't work for the all-mighty WWE or that the general Powerslam follower doesn't know much about them just open ups for accepted ignorance.

 

When it comes to ranking lists I don't really care much about placings apart from wrestlers getting some deserved praise. Hiroshi Tanahashi has been the top guy in New Japan all year defending their IWGP belt a record number of times. Sadly I can't comment on how good he has been or if it's deserved as I haven't seen any of his 2011 footage, but from experience from the previous year he's been one of the best mainsteam heavyweights in Japan so it's not surprising he gets some knowledge in the mag. I see there is a lot, maybe too many, Dragon Gate wrestlers on the list, but I guess their style is the easiest for indy fans to get into because of the speed and spottyness of their Toryumon style. Still I feel they might block out guys that do deserve to be on the list to make it more over-all representative list of the world wrestling scene.

 

 

 

--PUNQ--

 

Powerslam is an independent magazine that covers wrestling from all over. Of course it's not going to just cover WWE and as such, if it called a list of top 50 WWE wrestlers "the best 50 in the world" it would be completely retarded.

 

Pity just likes to stand in the middle of a room and do "funny, cutting" rants, so people think he's important. He thinks the entire industry of pro wrestling is called WWE, and if you aren't good enough to work there, you must be shit.

 

Like you, PUNQ, I enjoy wrestling from outside of WWE (while also liking WWE, for the most part), and that gets me thrown in with Fin Martin as "one of them" by Mr Pity, by which I assume he means a workrate perfect who loves RoH and Davey Richards. For the 50th time, this isn't the case, so please stop using me to reference your bullshit, incorrect points.

 

If everything was as you say Pitcos, then we should only ever embrace and enjoy the commercially successful things in life right?

 

So it's chart music and Hollywood Blockbusters all the way then yeah? Bye bye independent music or underground styles, goodbye intelligent Indy film makers and hello Michael Bay and Rhianna.

 

If you only care about and pay attention to WWE, why do you constantly feel the need to rip on a bunch of stuff you don't actually watch and therefore have no valid reason to comment on?

[ThePhenom]

Powerslam is an independent magazine that covers wrestling from all over. Of course it's not going to just cover WWE and as such, if it called a list of top 50 WWE wrestlers "the best 50 in the world" it would be completely retarded.

 

Pity just likes to stand in the middle of a room and do "funny, cutting" rants, so people think he's important. He thinks the entire industry of pro wrestling is called WWE, and if you aren't good enough to work there, you must be shit.

 

Like you, PUNQ, I enjoy wrestling from outside of WWE (while also liking WWE, for the most part), and that gets me thrown in with Fin Martin as "one of them" by Mr Pity, by which I assume he means a workrate perfect who loves RoH and Davey Richards. For the 50th time, this isn't the case, so please stop using me to reference your bullshit, incorrect points.

 

If the list is "The Best 50 In The World" why does it only include (other than the few WWE, TNA, bigger American Indies like ROH and Dragon Gate or whatever) Japan? If it's such a big deal for people to think it's absurd to go past the mainstream because they and most of the reading audience don't know or care about Japan and ROH, why is it alright for Fin not to include stuff like Lucha because he himself doesn't care for it?

[Dirty Eddie]

Powerslam is an independent magazine that covers wrestling from all over. Of course it's not going to just cover WWE and as such, if it called a list of top 50 WWE wrestlers "the best 50 in the world" it would be completely retarded.

 

Pity just likes to stand in the middle of a room and do "funny, cutting" rants, so people think he's important. He thinks the entire industry of pro wrestling is called WWE, and if you aren't good enough to work there, you must be shit.

 

Like you, PUNQ, I enjoy wrestling from outside of WWE (while also liking WWE, for the most part), and that gets me thrown in with Fin Martin as "one of them" by Mr Pity, by which I assume he means a workrate perfect who loves RoH and Davey Richards. For the 50th time, this isn't the case, so please stop using me to reference your bullshit, incorrect points.

 

If the list is "The Best 50 In The World" why does it only include (other than the few WWE, TNA, bigger American Indies like ROH and Dragon Gate or whatever) Japan? If it's such a big deal for people to think it's absurd to go past the mainstream because they and most of the reading audience don't know or care about Japan and ROH, why is it alright for Fin not to include stuff like Lucha because he himself doesn't care for it?

 

I'm not for a second saying that the list is a great list, the 'correct' list or that Fin puts the right amount of reasonable thought into it, but it makes sense for the PS50 to cover companies and countries that it often features. No, it's not "fair" necessarily because they can't include everyone, but ultimately no magazine can cover the entire, complete world of pro wrestling, so they include people from companies that their magazine does cover. A "Top 50 In The World" that only covers WWE and TNA would be quite mad, a 50 that covers WWE, TNA and a selection of US indys as well as a number of Japanese companies is better. Not perfect, but better.

[King Pitcos]

The list would be even more ridiculous if it was a top 50 of WWE guys, TNA guys who used to be in WWE and one or two token Japanese or indy guys just so a casual fan doesn't have their brain hurt too much. I can kind of see your logic, but I think the problem is more that Fin seems to hate WWE, or at least certain kinds of wrestlers in WWE, rather than his love of the indys and Japanese wrestling being a problem.

You keep saying that not all of the top 50 wrestlers in the world don't have to have good jobs in wrestling, which in essence is a valid point, but in that list, 62% of them (or thereabouts, if I've fucked up the maths) can't get telly jobs with the major global promotions. By anyone's standards, that is an absurd statistic. Reasons for the absurdity may differ -- I'll say it's because MOOOOVEZ~ don't make a good wrestler so the list is shite, whereas the shrub rocketeers will say it's because WWE and TNA sux and for some reason don't want the best talent.

 

Wow. Am I missing a inside joke or something or is this kind of attitude actually accepted and the norm around here? Or maybe I'm just offended that I'm one of such people who actually bother to watch anything else then WWE/TNA.

THAN.

 

But to critizes a list just because it has a lot of them on it like Takitinurashi Fukuokai really is borderline, you know what. I understand that your general message is that the list doesn't really representative for that Powerslam report on or names they use to sell their mag, but to dismiss 'foreign' wrestlers like that just because they don't work for the all-mighty WWE or that the general Powerslam follower doesn't know much about them just open ups for accepted ignorance.

And banging on about 'foreign' wrestlers like that just to fit in with all the other bunty men or look like a connoisseur is patronising towards them. If someone does a stiff head-drop in the Tokyo Dome and no fucker outside Japan (and barely anyone in Japan nowadays) ever watches it, has it made one of the top fifty crunching sounds globally? If your answer is "yes it has" then I'd like to see you make a case for why the Japanese scene is represented so well in the list but the Mexican scene isn't.

 

I personaly tend to feel that WWE is prity much segrgated fromt he rest of the wresting world and is it's own entitly, so should perhaps have it's seprate list.

To an extent, you're right. If he didn't include token mentions of WWE (and TNA) talent, Fin might well be able to do a credible "the 50 best wrestlers you've never heard of" list (though even then, his narrow scope would draw criticism from actual fans of wrestling from all over the world).

 

Pity just likes to stand in the middle of a room and do "funny, cutting" rants, so people think he's important.

That's never been my intention, but it's revealed a bit of an importance complex in yourself there. Someone once told me you were very bitter because you thought you should have been poster of the year and weren't, but I thought they were joking. But fear not, Eddie, you are important to folks here. The King was inundated with suggestions that you should be the one who received his royal, lyrical bounty, and be exiled from the forum until next year 2012, or as you'd call it, 2004. I'm kidding -- I know next year will still be 2003 to you as well.

 

He thinks the entire industry of pro wrestling is called WWE

One of your ilk (I'm fairly sure it was you specifically, but it may have been Carbomb) has used the "WWE is the wrestling industry" argument before when blaming Evil Vince for not stamping out drugs and preventing all the deaths in wrestling.

 

If everything was as you say Pitcos, then we should only ever embrace and enjoy the commercially successful things in life right?

 

So it's chart music and Hollywood Blockbusters all the way then yeah? Bye bye independent music or underground styles, goodbye intelligent Indy film makers and hello Michael Bay and Rhianna.

I love when people make that argument. It's indicative of genuine mental illness. Quick sidenote, check your spelling - "Indy" (short for Indiana) filmmakers means Lucas and Spielberg. You mean intelligent indie (short for independent) filmmakers, and do you genuinely believe that wrestling has the equivalent of intelligent indie films? Wrestling isn't a format, it's a genre. It's a much smaller field in terms of content and variety of emotional reactions. It's crowd-pleasing, lowest-common-denominator action. With underdeveloped romances tacked on occasionally, and now and again you get something (usually something maudlin) that tugs at the heart strings. There is no broad range. If you want to shoehorn a WWE and film industry analogy, you have to cut out about 90% off the film industry. You've got WWE as Michael Bay, TNA as that straight-to-DVD company that rips off Michael Bay films, then everything else is just lads on Youtube doing their own stunts in shit camcorder videos that only their mates watch. Wrestling doesn't even have the equivalent of boring student films about suicide.

 

If you were being intellectually honest, you'd say "bye bye J-Pop and Rhianna tribute acts doing pub gigs, hello Rhianna." That is a more accurate equivalent of the wrestling scene that PowerSlam covers.

 

If you only care about and pay attention to WWE, why do you constantly feel the need to rip on a bunch of stuff you don't actually watch and therefore have no valid reason to comment on?

How often do I post in ROH threads, Dragon Gates threads, or even BritWres threads that don't have a promoter mong/scam/point of interest in them? I don't care what people watch. But in threads like this, where people pretend their own dirty niche interests are as valid as the proper companies, such conflict of opinion is inevitable. And as you've been told, it's not about what I care about and pay attention to -- I don't give a solitary toss about TNA, but they certainly have enough global reach and audience to be considered valid in credible lists.