David Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Is anyone really surprised by this? It's obvious that Iran & Syria are firmly in the sites of the UK & US at the moment, so either of them having any kind of voice over here makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Not surprising, just hypocritical, underhanded and reprehensible. Â The US are pushing for Syria sanctions at the moment. I don't know how anyone can see sanctions as anything other than provocational and borderline genocidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'm as pro press freedom as you can get, and I'm all for Middle Eastern news tv channels broadcasting here and challenging the biased pro-Western media groupthink. But uncritically broadcasting an "interview" (scripted answers read out under duress) with a state captured and tortured journalist is about as far from any idea of press freedom as you can get. Just because the West is waging an appalling propaganda war with Iran and desperate to come up with an excuse to engineer a war and publically justify our aggression and murders of scientists, that doesn't mean Ofcom should let broadcasters get away with bollocks like that. Press TV didn't even bother to respond to some pretty straightforward requests for them to bring their broadcasting license into compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 With good reason, the people in The Middle East are overwhelmingly shit scared of the United States as the biggest threat to their existence, not Iran. Â That's not true though. Otherwise half of the governments in the Middle East wouldn't be begging the US to go to war with Iran. They all see Iran as a huge threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 That's not true though. Otherwise half of the governments in the Middle East wouldn't be begging the US to go to war with Iran. They all see Iran as a huge threat. Which Governments would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Various ones named in wiki-leaks, which I'm sure you've already read david. The same ones that all do business quite happily with israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Various ones named in wiki-leaks, which I'm sure you've already read david. I haven't, actually. Â The same ones that all do business quite happily with israel. That's what I suspected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 That's not true though. Otherwise half of the governments in the Middle East wouldn't be begging the US to go to war with Iran. They all see Iran as a huge threat. Which Governments would that be? Â Saudi Arabia being the main one, along with numerous others. The other mostly Sunni arab states see Iran's hardline Shi'ite based government as a huge threat to the stability of the region. And also Iran constantly calling for the destruction of Israel which would lead to even more US involvement in the region which they don't want. Also Iran has funded terrorist attacks on various Arab nations (most recent with the attempted assassination of the Saudi US ambassador) which hasn't won them any friends. The Saudi's, Iraqis, Turks, Emiratis and Qatari's fucking hate Iran with a passion and have done for decades. Â I'm often seeing a attitude of "poor Iran, hypocritical US sticking their noses in other peoples business"...this is a country that hangs homosexuals in the streets from telegraph poles for fucks sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm often seeing a attitude of "poor Iran, hypocritical US sticking their noses in other peoples business"...this is a country that hangs homosexuals in the streets from telegraph poles for fucks sake. I'm not so sure that the attitude is "poor Iran", but it can't be disputed that the US are looking to stick their noses into business that doesn't really concern them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it does concern them because Iran are a threat to the stability of the region and the US has huge commercial interest in the region. The other Arab states do not have the power or unity to force Iran to back down, the US and the EU does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it does concern them because Iran are a threat to the stability of the region and the US has huge commercial interest in the region. The other Arab states do not have the power or unity to force Iran to back down, the US and the EU does. Okay, so the US decide who has access to nuclear weapons? Is that how it works? And if you decide to arm yourself against a likely invasion from foreign forces you're the bad guy in the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Iran's status as "A bad guy" is pretty much without question. Whether or not that means american's likely involvement (in all probability as a means to controlling the oil production) is a good thing is much more open to question, but they're an unpleasant dictatorship with an appalling human rights record, regime change could only be considered a blessing to the people who endure the current ruling government. Doesn't necessarily mean America have the right to do it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it does concern them because Iran are a threat to the stability of the region and the US has huge commercial interest in the region. The other Arab states do not have the power or unity to force Iran to back down, the US and the EU does. Okay, so the US decide who has access to nuclear weapons? Is that how it works? And if you decide to arm yourself against a likely invasion from foreign forces you're the bad guy in the situation? Â The reason Iran has so many enemies is because it is an aggressive nation that for decades has broken international laws, human rights decrees, provocative militaryy action, an extreme Islamic agenda and lying to the international community. That's why there is the threat of an invasion from foreign forces! Just a month ago they paid for the attempted assassination of the Saudi US ambassador! If they weren't so fucking crazy the US, EU and UN wouldn't be putting all these sanctions against them and threatening milatary action! Â Stop being such a fucking child. The US, EU and UN have all told Iran to stop building nuclear weapons because due to it's aggressive nature, ridiculously high tension relationships with surrounding arab nations and isolated extreme attitude it is not in the interest of the Middle East Peace Process for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Â Even China, a long term ally of Iran, have in the past week said that if Iran continues on the aggrssive path it appears to be set on they will have no choice but to turn their backs on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WU LYF 4 LYF Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 it is not in the interest of the Middle East Peace Process for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Â Perhaps not, but from Iran's point of view Israel already have nuclear weapons, so I could fully understand why they would want the security of them given the hatred between the two countries. Â The reason Iran has so many enemies is because it is an aggressive nation that for decades has broken international laws, human rights decrees, provocative militaryy action, Â This applies to many countries in Africa, which we show no intention of invading. What is so special about the Middle East? The oil? The close US ties with Israel? I for one am fairly convinced Iran wouldn't do us any harm if we left them alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 23, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2012 Perhaps not, but from Iran's point of view Israel already have nuclear weapons, so I could fully understand why they would want the security of them given the hatred between the two countries. Â The reason Israel have nuclear weapons is because so many of their neighbours have publicly and for years threatened and expressed their desire to completely destroy them and wipe them off the face of the Earth. The Israeli's are probably one of the most paranoid and terrified nations on the planet and rightly so. But the Israelis would never attack another country without approval of the US first, as without US support they would be doomed. The issue isn't neseccarily that Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon...it's that they signed up for a UN decree that means all their work with nuclear energy is supposed to be closely and strictly inspected by UN scientists and they have to be open and honest about it. Iran have been keeping secret nuclear enrichment bases, done nuclear enrichment work that does not match up with the nuclear enrichment process for energy needs but with military needs and refused to have the proper inspections from the UN. By acting this way it does not make Iran look like a peace seeking nation. This along with them funding terrorist groups, backing murder campaigns, their absolutely fucking awful human rights record and increasingly hateful and insane public rhetoric isn't putting them in a good place. Â What is so special about the Middle East? The oil? The close US ties with Israel? I for one am fairly convinced Iran wouldn't do us any harm if we left them alone. Â They wouldn't do us any harm directly no, but they will cause huge instabilty in the region which if it leads to open war between say Iran and members of the GCC would lead the rest of the world into a very very dark and dangerous place. You think if Iran get a nuke Saudi Arabia will just be okay with that? That Oman, the UAE and Qatar will be just fine and dandy? It will lead to an arms race that'll make the one before World War 1 look like a fucking kids game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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