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There was less spots in 2000 and more people were over, they might just have to join a tagteam or something though, The big 3 tagteams were more over than the likes of Morrison, Ziggler & Swagger are nowadays and even teams like Head Cheese & APA were really over compared with the current undercard.

 

Agreed. As long as people are over with the fans and you have storylines for them, they stay on TV. When they're stale, get them off TV for a few weeks/months. Give the writers a chance to come up with something new for them and relaunch them when fans start to miss them, rather than just sticking them in a never-ending midcard feud having the same pointless match every week for 3 months until fans are thoroughly sick of them.

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There was less spots in 2000 and more people were over, they might just have to join a tagteam or something though, The big 3 tagteams were more over than the likes of Morrison, Ziggler & Swagger are nowadays and even teams like Head Cheese & APA were really over compared with the current undercard.

But ending the brand split alone isn't going to help anybody on that front. The creative team can decide to write proper characters and stories for everyone (and/or the wrestlers can decide to stop being bland robots) without putting the two rosters together, they're completely separate issues. Assuming that ending the brand split would solve it is a false economy. It's like saying if there were still hardcore matches and blood or if Raw was still TV-14, everyone would be more over, because those things happened in 2000.

 

The WWE is already reluctant to take chances on anyone besides Cena and Orton -- if everything stayed exactly the same as it is now except the rosters merged, that problem would only be intensified.

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There was less spots in 2000 and more people were over, they might just have to join a tagteam or something though, The big 3 tagteams were more over than the likes of Morrison, Ziggler & Swagger are nowadays and even teams like Head Cheese & APA were really over compared with the current undercard.

But ending the brand split alone isn't going to help anybody on that front. The creative team can decide to write proper characters and stories for everyone (and/or the wrestlers can decide to stop being bland robots) without putting the two rosters together, they're completely separate issues. Assuming that ending the brand split would solve it is a false economy. It's like saying if there were still hardcore matches and blood or if Raw was still TV-14, everyone would be more over, because those things happened in 2000.

 

The WWE is already reluctant to take chances on anyone besides Cena and Orton -- if everything stayed exactly the same as it is now except the rosters merged, that problem would only be intensified.

Well quite clearly it would help tagteams out and they have been a stable during every boom period and tagteams have almost dissapeared since the brand split. Bob Holly and then Crash thinking he was a super heavyweight (not counting the Hardcore matches) was'nt exactly TV-14 and something similar would get over today, same with Too Cool & Rikishi dancing.

 

They give Swagger, Sheamus & Ziggler World title reigns, trying to make new stars, when they were mid-carders at best, they should have picked one, like they did with Kurt Angle, give him the ball and build him up to the main event, it took Angle less than a year to win the title but he was more than ready by the time he won it.

 

You constantly complain about rematches on Smackdown, I don't think that would be as much of a problem if all the midcarders were on the same brand.

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Set up 3 proper developmental feds and let people train in to different styles so its not all generic cooker cutter. probably cost a few million if that but woudl be less than "McMahon million dollar giveaway" all you need is 2 people to break through and away you go for 3/4 yeard and major payback (look at Goldberg for instance)

 

Strike a Deal with NJPW and send some guys over there, again look at what happened to Umaga when he went over and improved or Prince Albert now and in return give people like Prince Devitt some US exposure for a couple of shows even against each other if need be.

 

Is an earlier forumster said, give one or 2 of the mid card the ball and let them run with it for a set. Not just point at swagger pre MITB and say "right, you win", let them slowly go for it. As much as i may think he was boring the slow Batista turn and rise to the top was met with incredible response. Same for Rey following Eddie's death. You cant expect people to accept wrestlers shoved into the main event after months of ignoring them. Dont do an Evan Bourne and give up after 2 weeks.

 

Give the tag team title to a team not just two singles thrown together. it just means that there is no difference in the PPV personnel, just in different matches.

 

Keep the brand split but make it complete, that means Cole off Smackdown or Raw. No crossing over unless its done in the WWE/Hart foundation style where Raw invade Smackdown pre bragging rights and are booed and vice versa. Each brand tries to establish its own stars as the best and its own PPV's, it keeps the "big 4" where they come together more special. Imagine a Smackdown PPV main event where a RAW star interferes and ther SD roster come out in unison against them. It would make for 2 distinctive brands. Also gives more time for storylines to build between PPV's and more acts the chance to appear on them ergo more chance to catch on with the audience

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SD just seems filled with adverts for 'live events' and from the vault matches (did anyone wanna see Khali vs Mark Henry again?)

That's to fill the gap in the UK addition once you factor in the different regulations on advert breaks between the UK and the US.

 

 

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I think Vince should give it some time before changing any of the rosters otherwise the TV shows will be all over the place. Even though Raw was bad this week at least at the beginning of the show they had the talent in the ring that represented the Raw roster, those guys will be the focus of Raw from now so why not stick with that? They're severly lacking on big name established talent so they need to push the younger guys so what does it matter what show their on.

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Well quite clearly it would help tagteams out and they have been a stable during every boom period and tagteams have almost dissapeared since the brand split. Bob Holly and then Crash thinking he was a super heavyweight (not counting the Hardcore matches) was'nt exactly TV-14 and something similar would get over today, same with Too Cool & Rikishi dancing.

That has nothing to do with the brand split. WWE could populate both brands with tag teams now if the goal was to "help tag teams out." Likewise, instead of it being "quite clear," there's no evidence at all that ending the brand split would do anything for tag teams.

 

They give Swagger, Sheamus & Ziggler World title reigns, trying to make new stars, when they were mid-carders at best, they should have picked one, like they did with Kurt Angle, give him the ball and build him up to the main event, it took Angle less than a year to win the title but he was more than ready by the time he won it.

Again, nothing to do with having two rosters. It's down to the talent and the writing. John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Edge all became full-fledged main event stars in the brand split era.

 

You constantly complain about rematches on Smackdown, I don't think that would be as much of a problem if all the midcarders were on the same brand.

Of course it would. It'd be far worse. The way the rosters are now, WWE's only got four shows between PPVs to build a Kofi Kingston vs Drew McIntyre PPV match (for example). They still use three of those shows to have Kofi Kingston vs Drew McIntyre matches with iffy finishes, because they haven't got any ideas on how to build the match otherwise. Having eight shows to build the match only exacerbates the tedium, because the real problem isn't the brand split/PG rating/commentators not saying "belt"/lack of blood/IWC Boogeyman of the Week. The real problem is they haven't got any fucking ideas left.

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Vince not happy with the rosters? If this is the only thing he's unhappy with then he's lost the plot. Seems to me the industry of pro wrestling and the mind of Vince Mcmahon are in need of some fresh ideas - predictability, stupidity and recycled crap seems to be the order of the day amongst creative departments in both WWE and TNA. Both WWE brands need there own separate identity and to promote the brands as equals, do away with the 'Bragging Rights' pay per view, instead use a special brand vs brand match(s) at Wrestlemania. Hire more outside talent instead of producing more 'cookie cutter' performers otherwise finish the brand separation. The WWE is in need of some serious competition for Vince to pay real attention to his product/characters and to stop chasing the notion that WWE is more than wrestling company. However Paul Heyman exposed the lack of creativity of both the WWE 'yes men' and that of Vince McMahon in the 90's.Maybe it's time for Vince to step aside or time for another Paul heyman to stand up.

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