Old School Square Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Top Tier: Ric Flair, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Manami Toyota, Jushin Liger Second Tier: Everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 16, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 16, 2011 Sting was never "the man" in WCW. He never lived up to his early promise, always overshadowed by Flair and then Hogan, plus Vader and Savage IMO. He was iconic during their peak years but never the top guy for any length of time. He was most popular when he was around least. He was always a star but wasn't a superstar for as long as he should have been. Â Won't bother arguing pitcos's view on Bret Hart, it's pure ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members garynysmon Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 Sting was never "the man" in WCW. He never lived up to his early promise, always overshadowed by Flair and then Hogan, plus Vader and Savage IMO. He was iconic during their peak years but never the top guy for any length of time. He was most popular when he was around least. He was always a star but wasn't a superstar for as long as he should have been. Â Yeah, think i'd agree 100% with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 Bret Hart nearly bankrupted the WWF  I reckon that's one of those examples of something everyone "knows" but is actually bollocks.  Bret said in his bookywook that the first three years of his famed 20-year deal he was going to be paid $1.5m a year, yet articles written at the time speculated there was enough in the coffers to pay Tyson $3.5m for his handful of appearances in hyping up WMXIV not long after Bret's departure.  Admittedly we'll never know for sure and all that jazz, and the Tyson thing may have been another of those Vince McMahon "shit or bust" gambles, but I've long suspected that Vince simply made a choice between Bret and Shawn knowing there was trouble brewing and the two couldnt coexist, and that he couldnt deal with such a combustible element in the locker room.  He looked at Shawn being younger, and the one that wouldn't stand in the way of the direction he wanted to take the company (which Bret was staunchly opposed to) and made the right choice for his company, and told Bret he couldnt afford his contract because he had to tell him something to get him to leave.  Top Tier: Ric Flair, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Manami Toyota, Jushin Liger Second Tier: Everyone else  No Muto? You know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 You can argue in-ring ability, but for anything based on stardom it's easy to underestimate Cena given that he's now been undisputedly the biggest star in US wrestling for five straight years. Â To put that into context (and not discounting that there was more competition at the time and he drew bigger numbers), it was probably mid-98 that Austin was undisputedly the top guy (ie once WWF ratings/business overtook WCW). Five years after that he was already retired. Â Rock wasn't even a consistent main eventer until 1999 (and even then he was vying for #1 slot) until early 1999. He retired in March 2004, but had only worked about three matches in the final 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Top tier: Austin, Rock, Hogan, Cena  Involved in some of the biggest rivalries in history, made the most money, got wrestling to become mainstream, and were counted on at different periods to be The Man of the promotion.  Second tier: Undertaker, Ric Flair, Triple H, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels  The veteran stars who made huge names for themselves within the industry, have a great body of work and likely made a lot of money, but never were The Man or took wrestling to pop culture.  Third tier: Macho Man, Chris Jericho, Sting, Mick Foley, Roddy Piper, Rey Mysterio  The guys who helped make the ones in the tiers above them look good. They carried the action part of the cards and were great catalysts to the bigger stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cena Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamicazze Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Inspired by the return of you know who, I would like to know who you think is in wrestling pyramid. Ranging from the best of the best to those who were great but not quite in the mega elite bracket  Criteria? Well, how about accomplishments/impact to the industry to give it a more general view.  I'll list mine (in no particular order)  1st tier: Greatest of All Time Hogan, Rock, Austin  2nd Tier: Unquestionable legends but not amongst THE greatest of all time Triple H, Ric Flair, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Sting  3rd Tier: Again, unquestionable greats but not quite in the top 2 tiers. Bret Hart, Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior, Kurt Angle, Goldberg  I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Shit Poster Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 Top tier: Austin, Rock, Hogan, Cena Involved in some of the biggest rivalries in history, made the most money, got wrestling to become mainstream, and were counted on at different periods to be The Man of the promotion.  Second tier: Undertaker, Ric Flair, Triple H, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels  The veteran stars who made huge names for themselves within the industry, have a great body of work and likely made a lot of money, but never were The Man or took wrestling to pop culture.  Third tier: Macho Man, Chris Jericho, Sting, Mick Foley, Roddy Piper, Rey Mysterio  The guys who helped make the ones in the tiers above them look good. They carried the action part of the cards and were great catalysts to the bigger stars.  I would pretty much agree with this. I would just have a few more in tier 3  Benoit Angle Perfect Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 1st tier: Greatest of All Time  Austin, Rock, Hogan  2nd Tier: Unquestionable legends but not amongst THE greatest of all time  Bret Hart, HBK, Undertaker, HHH, Flair, Angle, Cena, Sting, Savage  3rd Tier: Again, unquestionable greats but not quite in the top 2 tiers  Warrior, Goldberg, Jericho, Nash, Lesnar, Batista, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Beniot, Guerrero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhenom Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 From 1984 Onwards 1st: Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock 2nd: John Cena, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Ric Flair 3rd: Bret Hitman Hart, Kurt Angle, Sting, Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, Macho Man Randy Savage If 4th is allowed: Batista, Randy Orton, Edge, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, Rey Mysterio, Ultimate Warrior, Rowdy Roddy Piper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 How is The Rock on the same level as Steve Austin? Seriously? Austin was a terrific wrestler for 10 years and a megadraw. Everyone else drew in the WWF off his back. Austin is on another level to The Rock if you are talking about Wrestling and not movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 How is The Rock on the same level as Steve Austin? Seriously? Austin was a terrific wrestler for 10 years and a megadraw. Everyone else drew in the WWF off his back. Austin is on another level to The Rock if you are talking about Wrestling and not movies. What about those 10 months Austin got injured and The Rock was the face of the company  If I remember rightly ratings remained the same, maybe even improved a little and so did PPV Buyrates and Attendence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 17, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted February 17, 2011 How is The Rock on the same level as Steve Austin? Seriously? Austin was a terrific wrestler for 10 years and a megadraw. Everyone else drew in the WWF off his back. Austin is on another level to The Rock if you are talking about Wrestling and not movies. What about those 10 months Austin got injured and The Rock was the face of the company  If I remember rightly ratings remained the same, maybe even improved a little and so did PPV Buyrates and Attendence That's just 10 months and Rock and Triple H deserve equal credit for that. No-one is suggesting that Triple H is on the same level as Hogan and Austin are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 How is The Rock on the same level as Steve Austin? Seriously? Austin was a terrific wrestler for 10 years and a megadraw. Everyone else drew in the WWF off his back. Austin is on another level to The Rock if you are talking about Wrestling and not movies. Â What about the times when Austin was injured or when he 'took his ball and went home'? Rock was still there keeping momentum going for the company and the product was still as exciting and popular as ever? Â Also his matches were terrific whether it was with Triple H, Benoit or Jericho and drew sellouts and big buyrates surely? Â His memorable matches, promos', unequalled charisma and presence put him right up there next to Austin. From the business side of things ($$$) he contributed just as much as Austin did to the companies boom period IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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