JJsGirl Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I've got bad associations with the name Kimberley mainly because the girl who bullied me for several years in secondary school had that name. Ravenhill, was Atlanta concieved there? And Chardonnay is obviously after the wine! If I have kids in the future, I'm sticking to normal names like Ben and Amy or maybe Ruth. Nope, they've never been to America. In my opinion, they named her that because they're idiots. Ravenhill isn't the type of surname you can chuck any first name at. Oh I just wondered if they were following the Beckhams in naming one of their kids after where s//he was concieved. And I agree, Atlanda and Chardonnay are horrible names if their last name is Ravenhill. That's why I usually shorten my proper name - the only people who use my full name are my family and work colleagues (when I have a job of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 That way when he's 30 years old & potentially 6ft 3 & 19 stone he can call himself 'Jim' or 'James' & not be stuck with a name fitting only for kids & TV presenters. That's a spot-on example for my best mate, who we all call Big J. His ID badge still bears the name Jamie, even though he's a monster. It really doesn't suit him at all; Jamies aren't supposed to be upwards of 20 stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsGirl Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It explains it pretty well, in a nutshell, kids with non-traditional names generally come from poorer and less educated backgrounds so are likely to be less successful when they grown up. Kids with traditional names tended to come from educated backgrounds so were likely to be successful. The actual name itself had no real bearing, e.g. successful intelligent parents naming their daughter Mercedes rather than Claire will have little bearing on her success as it's pretty determined by birth that the kid is going to be more successful than Mercedes born of uneducated parents. the same goes the other way, uneducated parents giving a traditional name doesn't mean the kid will be any brighter. This pretty much supports my mid-wife Aunt's experience of parents from poorer backrounds being significantly more likely to give their child a more unconventional name. One of my main gripes is people giving their child a shortened name & therefore limiting the kids options when it grows up. Surely if you want to call your child 'Jamie' when he's tiny & cute just name him 'James'. That way when he's 30 years old & potentially 6ft 3 & 19 stone he can call himself 'Jim' or 'James' & not be stuck with a name fitting only for kids & TV presenters. And annoying TV chefs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFR42 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That way when he's 30 years old & potentially 6ft 3 & 19 stone he can call himself 'Jim' or 'James' & not be stuck with a name fitting only for kids & TV presenters. That's a spot-on example for my best mate, who we all call Big J. His ID badge still bears the name Jamie, even though he's a monster. It really doesn't suit him at all; Jamies aren't supposed to be upwards of 20 stone. I also have a friend christened 'Jamie' who goes by James. However I don't see how being called Jamie and wanting people to call you James is really any different from being called James and wanting people to call you Jim. Other than Jamie sounding a bit stupid that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Dude Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 The actual name itself had no real bearing, e.g. successful intelligent parents naming their daughter Mercedes rather than Claire will have little bearing on her success as it's pretty determined by birth that the kid is going to be more successful than Mercedes born of uneducated parents. the same goes the other way, uneducated parents giving a traditional name doesn't mean the kid will be any brighter. Mercedes is a bad example because it was a girls' name long before it was a car, being the Spanish for 'mercies' and therefore some kind of symbol of Catholic devotion that had spread from Iberia across Europe by the early 20th century. In fact, Karl Benz named the first such model after the daughter of one of his colleagues. However, a parent in an English-speaking country who gives their child that name probably wouldn't realise that, so the point still stands. On the subject generally, I'm glad my nieces have fairly ordinary names even though my sister married a black North American. One has ended up with the middle name 'Ameena' but at least her first name is plain old Isabelle. I was afraid they'd be lumbered with a name like that woman from Tough Enough who ended up managing the Bashams (with a whip no less) on SmackDown 6 or 7 years ago, Shaniqua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soretooth Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 It always annoys me when people give their kids abbreviations or familiarisations instead of real names, such as Charlie, Alfie, Evie, Libby, Bobby, Freddy etc. Just give your kid a proper name and then you and/or they can abbreviate it as you see fit, but they have the option of having a proper sensible name for when they are grown up too. My daughter is named Charlotte and we don't shorten it, but when she is old enough she can call herself what she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 The actual name itself had no real bearing, e.g. successful intelligent parents naming their daughter Mercedes rather than Claire will have little bearing on her success as it's pretty determined by birth that the kid is going to be more successful than Mercedes born of uneducated parents. the same goes the other way, uneducated parents giving a traditional name doesn't mean the kid will be any brighter. Mercedes is a bad example because it was a girls' name long before it was a car, being the Spanish for 'mercies' and therefore some kind of symbol of Catholic devotion that had spread from Iberia across Europe by the early 20th century. In fact, Karl Benz named the first such model after the daughter of one of his colleagues. However, a parent in an English-speaking country who gives their child that name probably wouldn't realise that, so the point still stands. On the subject generally, I'm glad my nieces have fairly ordinary names even though my sister married a black North American. One has ended up with the middle name 'Ameena' but at least her first name is plain old Isabelle. I was afraid they'd be lumbered with a name like that woman from Tough Enough who ended up managing the Bashams (with a whip no less) on SmackDown 6 or 7 years ago, Shaniqua. aka Linda Miles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members neil's bitch Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 I am the only one who thinks "Atlanta Ravenhill" is an awesome name? Like a nikelodean detective or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhill Promotions Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I am the only one who thinks "Atlanta Ravenhill" is an awesome name? Like a nikelodean detective or something. Haha! It's one of those names thats terrible at the moment, but if she ever went on X-Factor etc it'd become an amazing name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kookoocachu Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 That way when he's 30 years old & potentially 6ft 3 & 19 stone he can call himself 'Jim' or 'James' & not be stuck with a name fitting only for kids & TV presenters. That's a spot-on example for my best mate, who we all call Big J. His ID badge still bears the name Jamie, even though he's a monster. It really doesn't suit him at all; Jamies aren't supposed to be upwards of 20 stone. I also have a friend christened 'Jamie' who goes by James. However I don't see how being called Jamie and wanting people to call you James is really any different from being called James and wanting people to call you Jim. Other than Jamie sounding a bit stupid that is. Even more stupid if you're a girl hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted January 5, 2011 Awards Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2011 I am the only one who thinks "Atlanta Ravenhill" is an awesome name? Like a nikelodean detective or something. Haha! It's one of those names thats terrible at the moment, but if she ever went on X-Factor etc it'd become an amazing name! I feel quite sorry for anyone whose real name is Atlanta Ravenhill (no offence, Ravenhill Promotions) - but as a stage name it's fantastic. Just imagine Howard Finkel announcing it: "Making her way to the ring, from Wherever .... AT-LAN-TAAAA RAAAAAAA-VEN-HIIIILLLL!!!!!!!" On the name-shortening, I mostly agree with what people are saying, particularly re James/Jamie and similar examples (Elizabeth/Libby for example - my sister's an Elizabeth but everyone calls her Libby, she seems happy with it but she's got the option to be a Liz, Beth, Lisbeth, Lizzy, Betty, Bet, Lib, Eliza, etc etc etc. Quite a versatile name, really, Elizabeth, but if you're Libby on the birth certificate, that's what you're called, and your options shrink quite dramatically.) - but there are names where I think the shortening's fine, because the shortened name is like an entirely different one anyway. Daniel and Danny comes to mind - I'm a Daniel, and I'm quite happy to be a Dan, but I can't stand it if I'm ever called Danny - you might as well be calling me Ringo for all the similarity it has in my mind. Kim and Kimberley is another one - I don't like the name Kimberley, but if I should ever have a daughter, I'd be quite happy to call her Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 On the name-shortening, I mostly agree with what people are saying <snip> - but there are names where I think the shortening's fine, because the shortened name is like an entirely different one anyway. <snip> Kim and Kimberley is another one - I don't like the name Kimberley, but if I should ever have a daughter, I'd be quite happy to call her Kim. I think that some names are fine in their longer form and don't get in the way, even if a teacher should call them out loud. When I think back to the several Joes that I knew, there was never a problem if a teacher read out the name Joseph from the register. It wasn't the sort of name that would cause people to snigger, and the various Joes wouldn't feel any chagrin. I think the same is true for the various Matts and Chrises who would have the longer versions read out. On the other hand, mine being read out in its longer form always felt embarrassing, and I would have to make a point of stressing the shorter form. I think it's the case that most chaps with my name feel the same, and I'd have preferred to have the shortened form as the official one. I think the same would be true of this generation's Alfies, who would feel uncomfortable if their names happened really to be Alfred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members CleetusVanDamme Posted January 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 we settled on Maisy for our daughters name. That is cruel. I guarantee your girl is going to be bullied her entire life, and she's going to be speccy as well. Shocking name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhill Promotions Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 On the name-shortening, I mostly agree with what people are saying <snip> - but there are names where I think the shortening's fine, because the shortened name is like an entirely different one anyway. <snip> Kim and Kimberley is another one - I don't like the name Kimberley, but if I should ever have a daughter, I'd be quite happy to call her Kim. I think that some names are fine in their longer form and don't get in the way, even if a teacher should call them out loud. When I think back to the several Joes that I knew, there was never a problem if a teacher read out the name Joseph from the register. It wasn't the sort of name that would cause people to snigger, and the various Joes wouldn't feel any chagrin. I think the same is true for the various Matts and Chrises who would have the longer versions read out. On the other hand, mine being read out in its longer form always felt embarrassing, and I would have to make a point of stressing the shorter form. I think it's the case that most chaps with my name feel the same, and I'd have preferred to have the shortened form as the official one. I think the same would be true of this generation's Alfies, who would feel uncomfortable if their names happened really to be Alfred. If my father had his way, I would've been named Archibald, as that was his middle name! I would've hated that, although I quite like the name Archie Ravenhill. If I was named that, then as soon as it was legally possible, I would've deed-polled my name from Archibald to Archie. His second choice was Vincent! The mark inside me now holds a grudge against my mother for not giving into that one lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsGirl Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 My dad's proper name is Alfred but most people call him Fred instead. The majority of people presume his name is Frederick rather than Alfred and he was also named after both his father and his grandfather (his proper full name is Alfred Charles). Now my brother is Michael Charles so my grandfather's name is already carried on. But my sister in law is currently about 8 and a half month pregnant and I've just got visions of her and Michael calling their baby either Charles or re-starting the Alfred name where in my opinion would just be cruel to the poor infant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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