Yoghurt Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 So does the dead police officer in Ireland make up for this or is it a tragedy in itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashar Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 So does the dead police officer in Ireland make up for this or is it a tragedy in itself?   What I suspect you really want to say is police should be able to do what they like because they're risking their lives or some such.  http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Rolls_of_...s_2000-2009.htm  Traffic accidents are the main problem and there has been a significant increase in accidents involving the po-pos over the last decade. Maybe we should give them tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 The police do a lot of driving. I can't imagine the police death count is that much more per capita than other driving jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashar Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 So we're agreed then, being a police isn't a particularly dangerous job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoghurt Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 No I'm asking if you are making an equivalence judgement of "Does a dead police officer make up for the police killing Ian Tomlinson?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashar Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 No I'm asking if you are making an equivalence judgement of "Does a dead police officer make up for the police killing Ian Tomlinson?" Â Oh. You're weirder than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoghurt Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It wasn't really aimed at you. It was aimed at David who has used the equivalence argument dozens of times in relation to people getting attacked like when the socialists smash up London and have to defend civilians, he seems to revel in police being hospitalised so I'm wondering if he thinks a dead police officer is the same as a drunken obstruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 He was an alcoholic newspaper seller, whose drinking problem had alienated him from his family for many years (until they suddenly remembered how much they loved him once he was dead and they thought their might be a few quid in it for them). I've no idea what his political views were, and I don't believe he was protesting, he just happened to be walking where the protests were and decided to be a dick. The policeman was guilty of pushing him to the floor. Tomlinson was guilty of abusing his body to the point where a push to the floor was sufficient to kill him. Genuine question Happ, are you familiar with the concept of empathy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 He was an alcoholic newspaper seller, whose drinking problem had alienated him from his family for many years (until they suddenly remembered how much they loved him once he was dead and they thought their might be a few quid in it for them). I've no idea what his political views were, and I don't believe he was protesting, he just happened to be walking where the protests were and decided to be a dick. The policeman was guilty of pushing him to the floor. Tomlinson was guilty of abusing his body to the point where a push to the floor was sufficient to kill him. Genuine question Happ, are you familiar with the concept of empathy? Absolutely. It's not like i'm saying it wasn't a bad thing that he died. But it has to be ruled as "death by misadventure" IMO. Not "brutal beatdown by cops". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 So does the dead police officer in Ireland make up for this or is it a tragedy in itself? Are you being serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 You see, David, in Yoghurt's damaged mind, if you think that Ian Tomlinson was unlawfully killed by a policeman (or "brutally beaten down" as nobody but Happ has called it), that means that you must LIKE IT when any other policeman is killed in the line of duty. In his black and white world, if you're not 100% in support of everything the police do, unquestioningly, you must therefore wish to see them dead at every opportunity. Â It's the sort of tit for tat mentality that has kept the Troubles ticking over for 40 odd years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted April 3, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 I think you've got Yoghurt potted there, Loki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Dammer Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Just watched the Tomlinson video again for the first time in a long time and contrary to what most people have said, he did break his fall as he landed, his hands came out of his pockets as soon as he was touched and both arms went forward and broke his fall. Its only a minor detail but most people on here and other places have been saying that he fell with his hands still in his pockets and landed head first on the floor, i'd even presumed that had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildSybianRider Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Have those wilfully ignoring the facts of the case been following the inquest? Â Simon Harwood should not have even been present at the scene of the assault on Ian Tomlinson. The nonsensical justifications in this thread are the type of mindset that lead to a van-driver police wandering off into a protest zone looking to smash edz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashar Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Yeah, Simon Harwood got exposed for the mendacious piece of shit he is at the inquest today:  Questioned by the assistant deputy coroner, Judge Peter Thornton QC, Harwood has accepted that the account of events he put in his notebook two weeks after the protests was incorrect. These relate to Harwood's explanation of the aftermath of his attempt to arrest a protester for daubing graffiti, when he said he came under attack from hundreds of protesters and was in fear for his life. Video cast doubt over that, and Thornton specifically went through the list.  Harwood: At the time I wrote this, I thought I fell to the floor. Thornton: Do you now accept that this is not correct? Harwood: Yes Thornton: That you lost your baton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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