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1 minute ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Walk the Line is such a bag of shit. Sad that that is the film being discussed as the high watermark for such an excellent actor.

Walk Hard did it so much better

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15 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Walk the Line is such a bag of shit. Sad that that is the film being discussed as the high watermark for such an excellent actor.

I never said that! I just said I thought he was great in it 😥

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Regarding Joaquin Phoenix performances, he's mostly been the best thing in everything he's done since To Die For so it's some statement that Joker is his best.

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3 hours ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Walk the Line is such a bag of shit. Sad that that is the film being discussed as the high watermark for such an excellent actor.

Always brings this to mind. 

 I haven’t seen Joker and probably won’t but I’m guessing those calling it a career best for Phoenix have seen about three of his films. 

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Phoenix elevates the entire film. His physicality is something else. I enjoyed the film a lot. It seems a film that there was a backlash against by a lot of people who hadn't seen it.

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Looking at his IMDB I just found out he was one of the kids in Russkies which was a childhood favourite of mine. I have no idea if that film was known or popular; I taped it off shit movies and watched it over and over.

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It's not the be-all and end-all of an actor's abilities, but I do think it's a telling indicator of Phoenix' skill that he has one of the most convincing English accents I've heard any American actor do, in Gladiator. In itself, impressive enough, but coupled with his very respectable performance as Commodus, I think it's much underrated.

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Mrs Scratch doesn't like suspenseful films generally, or things that are bit unnerving, but she loves Dark Knight because of the Joker.

Can I take her to see the new Joker film or am I best to go alone? I've read lots (including on here) and heard some reviews and can't make my mind up.

 

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Saw Joker last night and really enjoyed it. I’m not qualified to be part of the whole ‘Joaquin Phoenix Performance’ talk as I haven’t seen anything of his since We Own The Night, but I did think he was great in this. The comparisons to Taxi Driver and King of Comedy are obvious for anyone that’s seen them, but there was still plenty to enjoy for those that haven’t. Then again, if you haven’t seen either of those then you probably haven’t lived.

Minor Criticisms:

We didn’t need to see Thomas & Martha Wayne die again. Something different could’ve been to play the audio of a news report covering the civil unrest and it reports that T&M had been killed. I get that they have to connect it to Batman in some way, but how many more times do we need to see that.

I also felt like the final scene of Arthur in the hospital would’ve worked better as a post credits scene. There wasn’t anything wrong with the scene itself, I just felt it’s placement took away from it slightly. I’d have been really happy with the ending being the image of Joker stood on the car bonnet surrounded by the people in Joker masks then the cut to black with his laugh as the credits roll.

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I don’t think people are realising what this whole story was, it was just thoughts in Arthur’s head, it never actually happened and he was in the mental institution the entire time.

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1 hour ago, TildeGuy~! said:
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I don’t think people are realising what this whole story was, it was just thoughts in Arthur’s head, it never actually happened and he was in the mental institution the entire time.

Exactly what I took from it, the 'you wouldn't get it!' Joke was Arthur thinking of the whole film in his head, that thought was the snapping point, he killed the shrink and is now about to go bat shit mental on Gotham once he kills he way out of Arkham Asylum. 

I fucking loved the film, thought it was very well done and was a belting performance from Phoenix. 

The final interview with De Niro was wonderful

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On 10/7/2019 at 3:19 PM, TildeGuy~! said:
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I don’t think people are realising what this whole story was, it was just thoughts in Arthur’s head, it never actually happened and he was in the mental institution the entire time.

 

This isn't entirely true though is it. You never really  know what is and isn't real but it's all real to Arthur. They keep it ambiguous enough to leave plenty of room for interpretation. Probably to wedge a sequel/crossover in.

All in all, despite the great performance, I kind of wish it wasn't a Joker film. Had it just been a stand alone film about a crazy sad clown without all the tie in shit it wouldn't be far off being great. Could have been another Nightcrawler. Still worth it for the central performance alone, Phoenix saved the Hangover man's bacon there.

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