Paid Members Maverick Posted January 7, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Miller off to Birmingham for 700k? Would be a big blow for the gers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It's common sense. Sky are a business. If the SPL suddenly decides to half the amount of "big games" then why would they continue to pay the same amount to show them? That would be mental. What exactly is the details of the deal that Sky have with the SPL? Does anyone know? Â I always thought our main provider was ESPN, with Sky showing the odd game here & there? Â As for the changes being mentioned, were in a catch 22, aren't we? The attendances are going to continue dropping if prices stay the same & we play each other a minimum of four times per season. Â Because the attendances are dropping clubs won't look to drop prices to make the game more attractive to fans. Â We'll end up with games being broadcast on Sky, and no fucker in the stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ticket prices will go up if the league is extended as well. One less game at home to each of the Old Firm for each team. Clubs will have to increase prices to make that income up as well as losing TV money as it has to be shared by more teams. Â If people aren't paying to see St Mirren vs Hearts just now, they certainly aren't going to pay for St Mirren vs QOS. They also aren't going to pay more to see it just because it only happens twice a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ticket prices will go up if the league is extended as well. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Hamilton are going to charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted January 7, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 BBC Scotland 'has learned'? We have no money. How could we be bidding for Goodwillie? By selling Kenny Miller to Birmingham for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patiirc Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It's common sense. Sky are a business. If the SPL suddenly decides to half the amount of "big games" then why would they continue to pay the same amount to show them? That would be mental. Yes, the SPL has already had problems with TV deals and some teams are still feeling the effects of the Setanta falling apart even now. Dundee United make a profit of around 50 grand last year, despite finishing third and winning the Scottish Cup. How many teams do you honestly think would survive if Sky cut the TV money even further?  From what they've said, part of the plan is to strengthen the teams in the First Division by introducing Play Offs up the way and, I'm assuming, giving relegated teams parachute payments on the way down. It makes sense. What's the point of extending the SPL if the teams you bring up are still shit?  I don't think this proposal is a great long term solution but it DOES address the two biggest problems we have currently: Teams going into administration and our falling coefficiant. Once we get those things under control then we can worry about the league being too boring etc.  There is still 3 seasons of the current SKY/ESPN deal to run afaik. So if you were to change you would have about 2 seasons to get things in order under the new structure. The current deal would be adjusted to fit the new structure (whatever it is decided) so wouldn't be any different in that regards until its finished. The common sense argument that you mention is born out of fear of the unknown and upsetting the status quo  You aren't necessarily halfing big games though, more teams would result in different 'big games' being created in their place over time, but there is some real short sitedness about the long term future of the game and its another quick fix which has fucked up Scots football for years.  I suspect the viewing ratings will be much higher for 2 Old Firm Derbys a season rather the current four because their frequency has diminished and they become more of an unmissable event. Rather than as now where, missing watching one can be be a bit of give and take for a neutral and floating supporters for example because there is another 3 they can watch each and every season without fail. The games are held too many times for people to give a crap other than the fans of the teams and instead of attracting others to it, the league is actively pushing people away  I've already explored the part time thing, regarding clubs surviving. Its something that is already happening in the lower leagues and looks to be on its way in div 1 anyway because of the current deal which doesnt expire until 2015.  Regarding the bringing up of new teams, they will have to get better, because they will be playing 'better' teams ergo the standard of football will increase It will also mean that players can move to a larger number of clubs to play in the Prem rather than being stuck at the same few and a distribution of talent in that sense will help things immensely. Again, this could help the league and Scottish football as more Scots players will be produced at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted January 7, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ticket prices will go up if the league is extended as well. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Hamilton are going to charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 By selling Kenny Miller to Birmingham for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ticket prices will go up if the league is extended as well. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Hamilton are going to charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hamilton will be missing out on both TV money and gate receipts against the Old Firm. They'd have to get that money back somewhere to survive. Pricing tickets at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daaaaaad! Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Popular rumour seems to be that Webster might be offered, but as I see it, long-term Weir will be out at the end of this season and short-term, Bougherra is suspended now, so really we need Webster more than we need Goodwillie; especially if Jelavic is back soon along with Naismith and Beattie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Kelvin Wilson has signed a pre-contract with Celtic. Â He may move this month if a fee can be agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny McBride Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 A bigger league with fewer games against each team makes sooo much sense. Forget the TV deal for a minute. Just think about how much closer things would be. With the ability to go on wee runs against the lower level teams, the clubs like Dundee Utd, Hearts, Hibs and maybe a couple of others could stay in touch with the Old Firm, without 8 games a season for the gap to open. And don't forget how Hibs' attendancr shot up when they got relegated because fans could see them win for a change. If there were only a few points between the top four at the end of the season, crowds would go up big time for the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 A bigger league with fewer games against each team makes sooo much sense. Forget the TV deal for a minute. Just think about how much closer things would be. With the ability to go on wee runs against the lower level teams, the clubs like Dundee Utd, Hearts, Hibs and maybe a couple of others could stay in touch with the Old Firm, without 8 games a season for the gap to open. And don't forget how Hibs' attendancr shot up when they got relegated because fans could see them win for a change. If there were only a few points between the top four at the end of the season, crowds would go up big time for the run in. It's posts like this that are the reason you'll never have a job at the top end of Scottish football, Kenny. Â You're talking too much sense. You need to be a complete idiot to be anywhere near in charge of our game. Â The problem is, the people in charge are looking at the possible financial ramifications in the short term, instead of looking at the benefit to the game over a few years when, as you say, the crowds will get bigger. Â A ten team league which sees us play each other four times mimimum a season is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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