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I was looking at the Wiki entry for the show and it says that Shamrock pulled out because he wasn't interested in fighting anyone other than Gracie in the final. Is that true ?

Yes, and he had a serious falling out with his adopted father (Bob Shamrock) over it.

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speaking of Ortiz, even though he was the 'face' of the UFC for a long time (pretty much from around the times of UFC 25-44) and had a bit of a personality about him, it's never really mentioned that his fights were usually boring as shit. Ortiz tactics have always pretty much been to lie in guard and throw sporadic elbows.

 

The only time Tito's been in exciting fights is when his opponent can shut down his takedowns and force him to fight. Back around the times when he was on top though, the level of opposition couldn't do that.

 

Thoughts?

 

I'd agree a lot of his fights were pretty boring but I suppose his over the top personality and crazy post fight antics kinda made up for it in some cases.

 

The other night I watched Tito vs Vitor Belfort from UFC 51.I thought it was one of Tito's better fights.Belfort provided enough danger on the feet to keep it alive and the post fight stuff with Tito nearly starting fights with Chuck and Ken Shamrock was wild.

 

It was also during this fight that this happened

 

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The most disappointing UFC ever for me has to be UFC 61: Bitter Rivals. What a fucking abortion that was. One half of the co-main event didn't get started (Tito-Ken II) and the other was the most boring, plodding affair since the Shamrock-Severn "superfight".

 

That was a real disappointment.Tito-Ken was a huge anti-climax after a whole season of TUF was devoted to hyping it up.I thought after that,well Arlovski-Sylvia 3 will be fireworks but they just circled around looking at each other for 5 rounds.After the first 2 I was sure it wouldn't go the distance.

 

revieved my two 5 event sets today...5 Rumble on the Rocks shows, 5 Superbrawl shows.

 

Looking forward to checking that shit out, cost

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I've finished watching UFC 4. Absolutely loved it.

 

Really enjoyed every Gracie fight. The final kinda lost life at times, but was fascinating at times too. Also loved watching Seven Suplex the ever loving shit out of Macias. Jennum vs. Bowen was great fun.

 

I think the low expectations have helped me with these shows.

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Watched UFC 47 last night.Great card,one of the best UFC shows I've seen.

 

UFC 47:It's On

 

Genki Sudo vs Mike Brown

Cool seeing Brown in the UFC.Good little fight too with a nice finish.Short and sweet.Shame Sudo retired,he was a really fun fighter to watch and his entrances were legendary.For some reason though,his entrance here was cut from the DVD :angry:

 

Jonathan Wiezorek vs Wade Shipp

Sloppy fight,not much more to say.I don't think they had either guy back which tells you something.Both guys are gassed in like 2 minutes.

 

Chris Lytle vs Tiki Ghosn

Tiki actually wasn't doing too badly until it hit the ground.Lytle wins by fucking headlock of all things hahaha

 

Mike Kyle vs Wes Sims

Wild,short fight with a brutal finish.Some controversy as usual with these 2.Sims had Kyle in a guillotine early in the fight and claims Kyle bit him to escape,in the extras he shows the bite mark on his chest.So Kyle bit him then did this

 

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Nice guy ;)

 

Nick Diaz vs Robbie Lawler

Everyone knows about this one.Crazy fight and a highlight reel finish.Nobody expected Diaz to stand with Lawler and it made for a real stand up war.Surprised Strikeforce hasn't already done the rematch by now.

 

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Andrei Arlovski vs Cabbage Correira

This was originally supposed to be the first Arlovski-Sylvia fight but Sylvia was suspended and Cabbage stepped in on short notice.I'm sure Rogan said one day's notice which is nuts.Cabbage shows his iron chin once again and is taking everything Arlovski can throw at him until the ref jumps in when Cabbage is knocked down in round 2.

 

Joe Rogan said the stoppage was too early but I'm not so sure.It may have looked early but Cabbage looked fucked long before he was knocked down and like Rogan said after,Cabbage wasn't complaining about the stoppage.

 

Too tough for his own good.

 

Yves Edwards vs Hermes Franca

The only fight to go the distance.Good close,back and forth fight.Yves takes the decision but Franca gave a good showing and looked particularly dangerous on the ground at times.

 

Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz

Huge main event.The buzz and atmosphere surrounding it was electric from the pre fight video to the entrances and throughout the fight itself.The crowd is deafening and split almost down the middle in their support.The pre fight video is awesome with Tito banging on about not wanting to fight his friend and Chuck basically calling bullshit on it and saying they never agreed not to fight.Exciting fight and another highlight reel finish.Tito's excuse this time was that he got poked in the eye :rolleyes:

 

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Highly recommend anyone picking up this show and it's only

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Nice guy ;)

 

Nick Diaz vs Robbie Lawler

Everyone knows about this one.Crazy fight and a highlight reel finish.Nobody expected Diaz to stand with Lawler and it made for a real stand up war.Surprised Strikeforce hasn't already done the rematch by now.

 

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yeh, its a great fight. That was the first fight where Diaz showed his striking chops. Strange that the punch that landed KO'd Lawler, ive seen Lawler take much bigger shots than that, guess he just hit him on the sweet spot.

 

Ive read that the rematch hasnt taken place because Diaz and Lawler are friends now, no ones wanting the rematch, which is a shame.

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just re-watched the Bisping-Leben fight from UFC 89. Not the explosive brawl people expected but Bisping does put on a great display of counterfighting. I think it's cleary the tactic he tried to take into the Dan Henderson fight (which didnt go so well).

 

Have to say though, who was Chris Leben trying to kid coming in shredded like he was.

 

Saw the Dan Hardy/Akihiro Gono fight for the first time too, nice little fight it might be worth checking out. Hardy's first fight in the UFC, he looked good but you have to wonder what it all have been a little differently if Gono had a little more steam behind his left hand, he caught Hardy with it constantly.

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Here are the final few notes on UFC 24 that I finished watching a few days back.

 

Shonie Carter/Brad Gumm - perhaps the most notable thing in this fight was the fact that Dan Severn was the official. Carter goes by the nickname of 'Hurricane' rather than Mr International. The fight is nothing special; a couple of nice throws by Shonie, one good exchange in the second and that was pretty much it. Carter gets the judges decision in his UFC debut.

 

Tedd Williams/Steve Judson - Williams the wrestler looked as though he didnt have a clue as Judson came out throwing strong. However, he appeared to be playing possum, as when Judson started to gas, Williams then let his hands go and KO'd Judson (although this KO wasnt as bad as the one if suffered at the hands of Brad Kohler).

 

Scott Adams/Ian Freeman - I am thinking Freeman is the first Brit to fight in the Octagon here. They heavily hype Adams as a leg lock specialist (he supposedly made Tito tap 30 times in a row), and he doesnt disappoint. He takes Freeman down immedialely and goes for all sorts of leg lock variations (kneebars, heel hooks, achilles holds, ankle locks). Freeman defended them well until eventually tapping, and Adams looked impressive in his victory.

 

It should also be pointed out that the scheduled main event for this card was meant to be Kevin Randleman vs Pedro Rizzo. The fight never took place as Randleman slipped on the concrete backstage, knocking himself out and having to be taken to hospital. No mention of any of this is made on the DVD, and the disc is edited as if the fight was never scheduled to take place in the first place.

 

All in all, search out Tiki/Cook and maybe the Pulver fight but that is it. Against better judgement I am going to try and watch UFC 25 tonight.

Edited by Magnum Milano

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yeh, its a great fight. That was the first fight where Diaz showed his striking chops. Strange that the punch that landed KO'd Lawler, ive seen Lawler take much bigger shots than that, guess he just hit him on the sweet spot.

 

Ive read that the rematch hasnt taken place because Diaz and Lawler are friends now, no ones wanting the rematch, which is a shame.

 

Fuck,friendships are ruining MMA haha.Agree on the KO punch,didn't look all that hard but just completely surprised Lawler,landed on the chin and he never saw the punch coming at all.

 

It should also be pointed out that the scheduled main event for this card was meant to be Kevin Randleman vs Pedro Rizzo. The fight never took place as Randleman slipped on the concrete backstage, knocking himself out and having to be taken to hospital. No mention of any of this is made on the DVD, and the disc is edited as if the fight was never scheduled to take place in the first place.

 

:laugh: WTF never heard about that before

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Saw the Dan Hardy/Akihiro Gono fight for the first time too, nice little fight it might be worth checking out. Hardy's first fight in the UFC, he looked good but you have to wonder what it all have been a little differently if Gono had a little more steam behind his left hand, he caught Hardy with it constantly.

 

I loved Hardy-Gono.It was a real close,competitive fight and at the time I wished it would have been on the main card,Gono's entrance was main card worthy on it's own.

 

I was at UFC 89 and while it's not the best card we got over here it gets shat on more than it deserves IMO.

 

A lot of the best fights were on the prelims and were never aired.Hardy-Gono,Etim-Stout and even Eklund-Schiavo were all very enjoyable.Then the main card had the Taylor-Lytle war.

 

Not a great show but not as bad a card as it's made out to be.

Edited by wandshogun09

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It should also be pointed out that the scheduled main event for this card was meant to be Kevin Randleman vs Pedro Rizzo. The fight never took place as Randleman slipped on the concrete backstage, knocking himself out and having to be taken to hospital. No mention of any of this is made on the DVD, and the disc is edited as if the fight was never scheduled to take place in the first place.

 

:laugh: WTF never heard about that before

It is only when I went back and read about the show in an old Observer that I became aware of this. I was just wondering what on earth Tedd Williams vs Steve Judson was doing main eventing a UFC show (Adams/Freeman was a prelim fight that aired last on the DVD), and the Randleman injury was the reason for it. As it turns out they ended up having the Randleman/Rizzo fight at UFC 26.

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So. Gracie and Shamrock seemed delighted after their fight at UFC 5. I'm glad someone enjoyed it. The show only went to add to my love for Dan Severn. He seemed to explode out of nowhere at times too.

 

UFC 6 was good fun. I can see why Abbott vs. Taktarov was described as "must-see". It was grinding my gears for a while, but it's probably one of the more dramatic UFC fights I've seen. Both guys were absolutely shattered so I don't mind. As for earlier fights, the first round had all sorts of goodness. My favourite being Patrick Smith EXPLODING out at the start with a kick.

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So. Gracie and Shamrock seemed delighted after their fight at UFC 5. I'm glad someone enjoyed it. The show only went to add to my love for Dan Severn. He seemed to explode out of nowhere at times too.

 

UFC 6 was good fun. I can see why Abbott vs. Taktarov was described as "must-see". It was grinding my gears for a while, but it's probably one of the more dramatic UFC fights I've seen. Both guys were absolutely shattered so I don't mind. As for earlier fights, the first round had all sorts of goodness. My favourite being Patrick Smith EXPLODING out at the start with a kick.

 

Was that the one where he just ran at his opponent on the opening bell and knocked him on his arse with a Muay Thai front kick?

 

I liked Pat Smith.I was surprised to learn he still fights.His last fight he lost a decision to Kevin Jordan as recently as August 09.Before that he beat Brad Imes in 28 seconds.

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Pat Smith is still decent...not a contender or anything, but he can still throw down. He was one of the best guys in the first UFC's, always had a bit of an attitude problem too :)

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