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  1. 3 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

    So what does this mean? 

    In practice, I have no idea.

    In theory, it means that MPs will at least be looking at wrestling as an industry, which is promising in terms of having an oversight beyond "hope that wrestlers do what's right", and increases the likelihood of wrestling schools being included in the change of the law to view sports coaches/trainers as authority figures where relationships with students are concerned. 

    If nothing else, it means that the speaking out and lobbying of people involved in all this is being listened to. 


  2. ahead of a long overdue re-read of the book, I watched Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) last night for the first time in years.

    The score is superb. That recurring main theme feels so foreboding and sinister, it might just be the best tension-building music in cinema this side of the opening of The Shining. At times it looks stunning, too.

    I don't have a lot else good to say about. Some of the in-camera and physical effects are incredible (as far as I can tell, there's no CGI in the whole movie), but the amount it relies on double exposure and so on becomes almost comedic by the end. The decision to show Dracula's arrival in London as if it's shot on an old-timey wind-up camera seemed completely arbitrary and at odds with the rest of the movie, and there's one point where there's an Iris transition/wipe away from Dracula's face, as if it's a fucking Looney Tunes cartoon.

    A lot has been written about how fucking dreadful Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder's accents are, and rightly so, but that lets Tom Waits off the hook for one of the most bizarre attempts at an English accent I've ever heard (as much as, otherwise, I think Waits as Renfield is inspired casting), Anthony Hopkins' Van Helsing for an inconsistent "Dutch" accent that seems to skip all over western Europe within sentences, and whatever the fuck Gary Oldman was aiming for. Billy Campbell as Quincey Morris comes across as a complete caricature, and I'm not really sure what he brings to the plot, while Richard E. Grant and Cary Elwes have maybe the only plausible accent in the entire movie, but has the "Cary Elwes In A Serious Role" drawback of never quite feeling like a real human being.

    Not really a fan of the romantic subplot, or the hackneyed Dracula backstory. I prefer the character as somewhat unknowable - the audience should learn about him as the characters do, not have the whole film begin with his origin story and make it immediately apparent what his motivations are.


  3. That might be his best work, and decades ahead of its time.

    People talk about kayfabe being dead, but Pillman realised before anyone else that you just need to change up your game. The "smartest" crowd in the world, and he plays them like a fiddle. You just need to know which buttons to press, and when you know that, the people who think they're above being "worked" are the easiest ones of all to work.


  4. 23 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

    These things usually seem to come from Asia in modern times, does anyone know why this seems to be the case? 

    extremely high population density, plus livestock generally being kept in closer quarters to large numbers of people than we're used to here, plus lax regulation on meat.


  5. I first heard Mike use the "I was worse back then, I have got better" excuse more than ten years ago, so I'm not particularly won over by it in 2020, particularly when, if I remember correctly, he said that several of the allegations stemmed from someone who trained at the Wrestle Factory between 2016 and 2019, so we're not exactly talking about ancient history, or the youthful mistakes of a twenty-something, we're talking about the very recent past, and a man in his forties.


  6. A few simple questions, @forlan;

    1. Do you believe the allegations made against Mike? If not, why do you think he has (at length) acknowledged and apologised for them, and voluntarily stepped down from CHIKARA as a result of them?

    2. If you believe them, why are you intent on defending him regardless, seemingly to a greater extent to which he has defended himself?

    3. If you agree that the other points you have mentioned - sexist language, objectification of women, a lack of duty of care at wrestling schools, etc - are unacceptable in those cases, as I assume you must in order to have raised them, why are you so quick to handwave similar allegations when directed at Mike?


  7. I think an argument could be made for the "Pipebomb" being responsible for a lot of ills in modern wrestling, in terms of how wrestling engages with its audience, and what the audiences expectations are. It, along with the Daniel Bryan Wrestlemania 30 storyline, certainly played a part in creating an environment where whoever WWE anoints as the top star was rejected as a matter of course (though, yes, Cena had been getting booed for years prior). 

    It also popularised referring to "controversial" promos as "pipebombs", which I fucking hate.

     

    In terms of generally brilliant promos - my two all-time favourites are Dusty Rhodes' "The View Never Changes" promo to Dustin, and William Regal's promo before his final match with Cesaro, which is just a masterpiece. It's a rare case of a wrestler having the confidence to sell the match by saying, "my opponent is just better than I am". I also love Cactus Jack's "Hes Hardcore" promo, which I prefer to the more famous "Cane Dewey". 

     

     


  8. Mike has OCD, and had speech therapy to get over being largely non-verbal and having a speech impediment when he was younger - I can confirm that he talks like that all the time. Neither of those conditions lead you to be an abusive, manipulative boss, or to foster a culture that at best allows abuse through neglect, and at worst fosters abuse and covers it up.

    I've stood up for Mike against criticism in the past, and have looked up to him more than he ever deserved from me. But there comes a point when you hear him use the "I was a different person then, I've got better" excuse ten years after the first time you heard it from him, that you start to question how much he has changed, and that point is around the time when people far closer to him and to the situation than myself, who have worked alongside Mike for close to 20 years in some cases, step away and can't in good conscience work with him any longer.


  9. 8 minutes ago, Nostalgia Nonce said:

    I'm not suggesting that you're wrong, but at around the 6 minute mark in that video, Mike says that he's never been in "that kind of relationship with a trainee".

    Someone else pointed this out, but the initial allegation said he'd been in a relationship with a student, and Mike said he'd never been in a relationship with a trainee, and it feels like he's made a moral distinction there to justify it to himself - that there's a finite point where someone ceases to be a trainee, but you never really stop being someone's student. 

    I have retracted my harsher criticisms of the video based on the editing after speaking to the guy who edited it, and to other friends at CHIKARA. I still think it's emotionally manipulative, but perhaps not as cynically, consciously so as I had thought. 


  10. 2 minutes ago, Nostalgia Nonce said:

    Does he ...... always talk like ...... William Shatner ..... trying to suppress ..... hiccups?

    It does come across as somewhat insincere.

    I used to think of it as his "promo voice", but he does actually talk like that pretty much all of the time. I get the impression that he had a speech impediment when he was younger, and so now speaks in a very overly deliberate manner.

    1 minute ago, CavemanLynn said:

    @BomberPat As you appear to be a man in the know, has there been any progress with Equity? You mentioned some of the women at the forefront of SpeakingOut were due to meet with some of their reps soon. It's why I'm so keen on checking which companies are actually companies, from looking at Equity's eligibility criteria and how it applies to young wrestlers. It's also far more preferable to having wrestling try to set up its own bespoke regulations, when there are preexisting organisations with the structures and procedures in place, and, most importantly, without a stake in the wrestling business itself.

    At least one meeting has been held, but I don't know the outcome of it. 


  11. I'm someone who trained under Mike, corresponded with him regularly, and really genuinely looked up to him. I considered him a mentor. Out of all of this, it's allegations toward him that I have found hardest to deal with.

    When I started watching that apology, I was prepared to take a step back and ask myself if I had been too quick to throw all of that way and remove him from my life. By the end of it, I was more convinced than before.

    That he's put up a clearly edited video, with multiple takes, but seen fit to keep in takes where he's apologetic, crying and so on, is so clearly a cynical, conscious decision. I would struggle to call it anything but emotional manipulation - so while I believe a lot of what he's saying, in terms of apologising and feeling remorse, it's clear to me that he hasn't addressed the personality traits that led to those problems. Plus, he's been doing the "I was a worse person back then" excuse for at least ten years at this point.


  12. For the record, Danielle Matheson is a wrestling journalist and photographer, not a random fan accusing Trent Seven. I don't know what she posted originally, so I don't know if Trent getting lawyers involved is because of the severity of whatever she said, or because of her platform.

     

    As for whether these people should be allowed a second chance - perhaps, but they're not owed one. And certainly not at the expense of people who haven't even had their first chance yet, or who had that chance taken from them by manipulative and abusive trainers, promoters and wrestlers.


  13. 1 minute ago, Supremo said:

    I wonder if all the shit surrounding pro-wrestling right now is more likely to turn off younger viewers than older ones. That would be one explanation for this week's numbers. Isn't the average age of an NXT viewer something mad like 50+? I can't imagine they're the type of people to follow a hashtag on Twitter and then decide to fuck everything off in disgust. Someone in their 30s or younger though, that seems more likely.

    This is what I was thinking - if AEW's demographic are more likely to have opted out either because of the Covid-19 situation, or the mass outing of sex pests and wrong'uns making them just not feel like watching wrestling at the moment, while NXT's biggest demographic are less likely to be "in the loop" of all that, and more likely to be habit viewing.


  14. 4 minutes ago, Tiki said:

    Add Len Davies to the total dunce pile. Be careful defending potential nonces, you literally have fuck all idea if the allegations are true or not. Not a fucking clue so wind it in.

    As a lot of people have been saying on social media - better to accidentally defend a liar than knowingly risk defending a nonce.


  15. Riptide have announced that they are going on indefinite hiatus to focus on working to create a better environment, and to not run shows until they're confident that's been done. They're also editing matches featuring abusers out of their existing video library.


  16. 8 minutes ago, John Matrix said:

    one of the easiest, quickest and most effective things this movement could do, is appoint an official, appropriate and qualified spokesperson

    It's just a hunch, but I think that something along those lines will be coming out of the meetings going on over the next couple of days. 


  17. @John Matrix - I don't disagree with anything you've said, and at the moment it's tough for me because I'm stuck in Jersey and at a few steps removed from the conversations that I'd be having in person if I were still around the "scene" as much as I was earlier in the year.

    I haven't been reaching out much, because I'm uncomfortable with it at the best of times, and especially so now. It's not on me to decide I'm one of the Good Guys, all I can do is do my best, and be here to lend support if and when people decide that they need it. 

    I'm not being vague out of any sense of "protecting the business" - there's a lot going on that I don't know about, because I'm a million miles away from being anyone's priority at this point, and there are things going on that I know about, or that people have alluded to, but I'm not sure if there are reasons why they haven't been made more public already.

     

    What I do know at this point is that Equity are holding a meeting with several female wrestlers tonight, and have spoken to wrestlers they have a pre-existing relationship with in order to best facilitate that, and to ensure the right people are being represented. My understanding is that it will be the first of several meetings, and that Equity are taking all of this very seriously, and looking to further include wrestling in their existing Safe Space and anti-harassment policies. Equity reps at the meeting will include parliamentary liaisons, lawyers specialising in harassment and abuse in the entertainment industry, and long-standing Equity members with experience of tackling harassment in other entertainment fields. Bearing in mind that the first post in this thread was less than a week ago, I think that's a huge step forward in such a short space of time, in terms of having this taken seriously and tackled through the proper channels - a couple of years ago, I don't think this would have been possible at all. 

    Elsewhere, the police are involved in multiple cases already, and Leanne-Marie and Sierra Loxton will be addressing people on Instagram Live to discuss what they're working on tomorrow. So there are wheels in motion in and outside of the wrestling business, and I'm confident we will start to hear more about what that means over the coming days and weeks. I think part of that will be a process of identifying who, in and outside of the business, will be best positioned to take on roles of authority, and spokesperson roles, in whatever solutions come out of this. 

    It's early days, and it's frustrating when most of what we're seeing is promotions saying "don't worry, we've appointed the only woman we know to a position of authority" and empty gestures, but hopefully we will start to see that change very soon. 


  18. 1 hour ago, JakeRobertsParoleOfficer said:

    Always surprised he never did go back to Wwe, however I imagine since he's was still gassed to the hilt or wasn't an option. 

    He seems to think that he was blacklisted from WWE - combination of no-showing events while he was there, and not getting on with Triple H, apparently.


  19. I don't know how much is meant to be public at the moment, given that there are obviously legal implications to what's going on, and the risk of certain people trying to undermine some of the work being done, but I do know that there are outside agencies involved in coming up with solutions to this. At the moment, at least, it isn't just a case of wrestling trying to police itself. 


  20. 25 minutes ago, John Matrix said:

    I’ve been trying to make this point all day.  Fucking exhausted by it.  Literally fuck all will change.

    For now - and I know this sounds ridiculous given the context - I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt; the people working behind the scenes aren't Alex Shane and Mikey Whiplash, it's Sierra Loxton, it's Leanne, Nina, and so on. And here I'm talking about people specifically working towards something industry-wide, not just the "we've added the only woman we know to our management team" Tweets.

    At the moment, there's a lot of understandable distrust and so on, and they're not going to open up to people they don't know. If, once they've come up with a basic framework, or a plan, and make that public, they STILL don't let people in, then I'll give up hope. But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in the immediate short-term.


  21. 27 minutes ago, jazzygeofferz said:

    It'll be an hour and ten minutes of non apology, and flinging abuse at some of the names on that list with a superior tone of voice and slightly "I told you so" when it comes to allegations of them being a wrong 'un. 

    Yep. It'll be bypassing half of it, disavowing half of it as "just wrestling", but painting Joey Ryan specifically as the devil.

    More importantly, fuck the old cunt for monetising this in the first place.


  22. It's an absolute nightmare trying to figure out how to resolve something like this. There are people who need to be held to account that, as it stands, can't be.

    You want fans, wrestlers and trainees empowered to speak out, but we've seen so many promoters, trainers and self-appointed industry leaders called out as abusers already. Speaking from experience, the problem in a lot of cases hasn't been that nobody was speaking out, it that there's been no one appropriate to speak out to. I don't think you'll find a woman in the business who hasn't been on one or both sides of a "don't work for this promoter", "don't accept a lift from this wrestler", or a "be careful around this one" conversation - it's fallen to people within the business to try and manage it amongst themselves already, because there's no one they can realistically take these complaints to.

    I really struggle to envision what a governing body would look like, and I'm not optimistic that it would be viable to create one in any real sense - and then there will have to be a lot of trust involved in who makes up that governing body, who it's accountable to and how, and how we stop people from using it as yet another position of power to abuse. 

     

    In the short-term, there needs to be some kind of recognition as to what the good promotions are and what they do - in my limited experience, I would say Riptide are one of the best; I've only been backstage at one of their events, but I was impressed by how comprehensive their code of conduct and health and safety protocols were, how everything was fully risk assessed, and how it generally felt far more in line with a professional production than what I'm used to from independent wrestling. Promotions like that should be called upon to share best practice, to pool resources, and to determine the best steps moving forward - but then, again, we're back to questions of who makes the decisions, who decides who is a "good" promotion, how do we get disparate promotions to agree to work together, and can you do anything about the promotions that refuse to play ball.

    In a lot of ways, it's good that this is coming out during lockdown. It means that, hopefully, these conversations can happen, without people muddling through trying to promote shows in the meantime. 


  23. 3 minutes ago, Loki said:

    Surely getting buried in the casket is the only way to finish his career?  At SS would be perfect.  Choose someone up and coming to get the rub - Keith Lee for example.

    I'm not sure doing a gimmicky "burial" or anything would be the best way to end it, just because we've seen it so many times, and been conditioned to believe that it means there's an eventual comeback match on the cards.

    I think coming off the back of the Boneyard Match and this series, he can retire as a more human character than that - that allows him to appear for things like the Hall of Fame, or transition into other roles if he wants to. I found it interesting on the last episode seeing that he spent Wrestlemania at gorilla position - I can't imagine he'll take a producer's job, but he's apparently under contract for another 15 years, so they'll need to find something for him.

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