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Yakashi

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  1. 18 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

    It's not an anomaly. Pretending it is - that's the sort of thinking they've employed for years to convince themselves there's no problem. AEW is irrelevant to this. WWE put out a show on Monday during the football season, as they have for 28 years, and it drew a dreadful rating both overall and in the 18-49 demographic. If it was a one off, then it would be an anomaly, but it isn't, it's a trend, it's been a trend for a long time and arguing about it like some WWE "stan" on social media isn't doing them any favours.

    You’re arguing something completely different to what I’m saying. I’m not denying the number is bad. I’m specifically talking about the head to head result. I’m saying that the defeat wouldn’t have happened if this particular football game, which drew a gigantic number higher than anyone predicted, hadn’t happened. Raw would have handily beaten them, even with their shit product had a normal football rating which we can expect going forward for most games would have happened. Last week was a win on even grounds.

    And this isn’t a trend at all anymore. The last several years they haven’t been effected anywhere close to this level. It’s been years since it really impacted them to a large degree, probably because their audience has dropped so much.

    And I get what you’re saying. If they hadn’t had such a terrible show for years then they wouldn’t be in a position where a monster football game could take away 20% of their audience and they would lose. I totally agree with that. All I said was that they would have won if this giant football game didn’t happen and that this giant football game will happen very rarely, if again this year. Making it an anomaly. They’re two different arguments.

  2. 2 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

    I can't remember the last time I was as excited for an episode of wrestling television as I am this episode of Dynamite. Ahead of All Out, I felt kind of ambivalent about the card, and then it turned out to be one of my all time favourite PPVs. The cards for Dynamite and Rampage next week, for me, are even stronger. Each show has tremendous potential. 

    I don't think "fake wrestling war" is particularly accurate. It may be a wrestling war that WWE is choosing not to acknowledge, certainly in public and perhaps even in private, but it undoubtedly affects them, particularly when it comes to their next TV rights deal. WWE didn't have a rival for bidders to compare its rating to when the last set of deals were negotiated, and the fact of the matter is that TNT is getting far more bang for its buck than either USA or Fox. Then there's a very real prospect of WWE losing top stars. What if, for example, Roman Reigns or Becky Lynch felt excited about the idea of the creative freedoms a move to AEW would bring? I don't think it's at all unrealistic to picture John Cena, with his link to Warner Bros through the DC films, stepping foot in an AEW ring. 

    I'm taking @Supremo's point a little, but if WWE, and, in particular, its stockholders, feel like shots have been fired, it's better for everyone. They'll be forced to do something to heat up their shows. That doesn't guarantee that this "something" will be a good idea, but it'll surely be fun and fascinating to watch play out. 

    I meant “fake wrestling” war to show how silly it is to take sides and ignore facts.

    And WWE is acknowledging it. They’ve acknowledged it since the very beginning. From moving nxt, to signing geeks to massive money deals, to hotshotting things like big E, to reporting AEW to dominos, to counter programming with evolve events etc etc. 
     

    When the TV deals come, it seems pretty obvious both AEW and WWE are getting a rise. AEW will get an enormous rise, as they deserve. But it’s not like WCW when there was a very real chance the wwf could have gone out of business if they didn’t turn it around. AEWs success likely won’t effect WWE getting massive money again. Raw is very often the number one show on cable and USA have fuck all else. Admittedly, I have no idea what happens to smackdown. But there’s enough desperate tv channels that would take a show that would be the number one show on Friday nights.

    I can see top stars going over there. WWE seems a shit place to work. Their culture will no doubt force out even more people than it already has. They’re horrible, vindictive people.

    And yeah, supremo is totally right. For wrestling fans this is the best thing to happen. We’ve already seen wwe make their show more exciting (not better) because of AEW this week. For wrestlers it’s also the best thing possible. I don’t think wwe are capable of turning it around, but it will be fun to follow it for sure and will end up, demo wise, the number 2 wrestling company (whilst still being number one everywhere else for a while anyway).

  3. 24 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

    I’m not the one making stupid statements, allowing me to point out how stupid your take is.

    It’s a stupid take to say that literally the only reason Raw didn’t beat AEW this week is because a football game with 20m viewers cannibalised their their audience? Even though it’s demonstrably proven by facts? Also, as the final calculations are being made, it looks like Raw actually did beat AEW, even with the football game.

    Raw is a terrible show and has had an audience drop in line with its quality. Eventually I think AEW will be beating them regularly. But this is an anomaly as you well know. Outside of a fake wrestling war, no one would think different.

  4. 43 minutes ago, Nick James said:

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    If whatever Vince is doing is annoying folk like this, then it gets my vote. Fantastic. 

    Haha Rex Steiner WAS his appointed name given by the company. What a geek. I bet he’s one of them “I won’t refer to him by his slave name” people that was discussed in the fan encounters thread.

  5. If losing to AEW makes them do crazy things for me to read about then I’m all for it. I have no investment anymore with wwe so I don’t care if this works or not. I just like the excitement of them tearing up scripts and hotshotting things. I won’t watch the show, but I’ll actively seek out the results when I get up which is more than I used to do.

    Also, E seems like a brilliant guy so if this is the sort of thing that would make him happy then great. 

  6. I’ve seen exactly one wrestling fan outside of a wrestling show in the last 20 years (they were all over when wrestling was popular). He had a Seth Rollins shirt on which was already a red flag but, as we were stood in the queue for self checkout in Asda, I said hey. We chatted for about a minute before he started going on about how Cesaro should be world champion. Realising he was one of those, I said I’d forgot something and left. Never again.

  7. I just can’t see Lucha bros winning. I know they’ve had several matches but it still feels like this match is a bit thrown together and doesn’t warrant ending the Bucks reign. Even Santana and Ortiz in New York seems like it would happen out of nowhere. Normally I’d say that’s fine but Bucks and their reign have been really important and it seems a proper feud and build up is what it deserves.

  8. 8 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

    What was sacrificed exactly? Do you think Finn should be champ right now? Just curious. He was attacked and then still nearly won and put up a damn good fight. Not like he walked in and got buried.

    I meant if the tease was the demon. The one thing that makes Finn special. He’s never been beat using that gimmick. He will lose to Roman. Like everyone.

  9. Ive never seen Charlotte have a decent match with anyone that isn’t better than her. Exceptional performer she is not. She’s fine. Good when paired with people better than her. Useless when she’s expected to carry someone worse. Despite being made a 57 time champion, she’s not a star and if she disappeared tomorrow they wouldn’t lose one viewer.

     

  10. 2 hours ago, Nick James said:

    I'm all for giving AEW the benefit of the doubt, but this part right here, is a load of shit.

    Remember the build up to the Christian announcement? How much Tony Khan hyped that up? AEW are the ones that put the Tanahashi name out there for people to think, it's not just something that got messed up, they teased something and delivered something else. Let's not get it twisted. 

    I'm not angry or disappointed as I don't really know Japanese wrestling, but let's call a spade a spade.

    They only delivered something else because the thing that they had teased (but never advertised) fell through. They thought they had it sorted out and then it got pulled from them. And then they advertised something else once they knew. This isn’t like WWE where they advertise someone for weeks knowing that they aren’t going to be there and never tell anyone until everyone has paid their money. It’s completely different.

     

    The Christian thing was overhyped sure but at least Tony believed the hype. Christian is one of his all time favourites and i think it clouded his judgement a bit.

  11. 49 minutes ago, Merzbow said:

    I feel bad for Kojima, Twitter seemed to be 99% of people not knowing who he is and he even came out and tweeted himself a real sad post about it.

    I do understand the disappointment tho, especially after Mox dropped Tanahashi's name a few weeks before.

    He will be fine at the show. People will go nuts for him. The fans will know who he is and want the show to be a success. It’s a definite clanger after the Tanahashi hype but AEW fans are pretty forgiving. They know it’s just something that got messed up rather than in WWE where they would just lie about everything.

  12. I guess the show was fine in a vacuum. But Jesus, what a shit presentation considering it was possibly in front of your biggest audience of all time. Just a total bunch of geeks all over the show and some bizarre booking (why Garcia is starting a feud with Darby a week before the biggest match of his and the company’s life is baffling).

    Its like they assumed a load of (ex) wwe fans would be tuning in so tried to give them as much of a wwe show as they could, 5000 run ins and all.

  13. It’s been obvious for a long time that they don’t know what a babyface is. But now it’s glaringly obvious they don’t know what a heel is. Their version of heat is pissing the fans off so they don’t want to watch your program anymore rather than wanting to see good defeat evil. They think we are so pissed off at what Becky did that we will pay money and tune into see bianca get her revenge when in actual fact all it does is make people not care about bianca because she got gimped in 5 seconds and also hate the company for taking away it’s top babyface star that makes us happy. Fucking clueless. 

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