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Famous Mortimer
QUOTE (Just Me @ Nov 2 2009, 11:40) *
Exactly. Parents don't give a shit - any sales decrease due to parental concern will be easily outweighed by the increase from extra publicity and curious novelty.

One of those "bleakest moment you've ever witnessed" was some harried mother buying a couple of 18-rated games for her kid, who was maybe 9 or 10, and answering the guy who worked in Gamestation with an angry "no" when he asked if the games were for her kid or not (I had just seem him demand those games from her while they were looking round).

Emperorseb
What was better, Contra, Metal Slug or Gunstar Heroes.

Also, who here would fancy a Streets Of Rage vs. Final Fight crossover
Tommy!
Saga bass fishing with little plastic rod.
Its amazing, god I love it. Its so simple but I just really enjoy it, and its good for the odd bite sized bit of gaming when I don't have time for a good go on Smackdown, Tiger woods or Killzone 2
kendal mint cake
Was that the on the Dreamcast? I used to love that. Thanks to insert name here for the recommendations, I've also downloaded Final Fantasy IV and VI. I don't know whee to start!
Tommy!
QUOTE (kendal mint cake @ Nov 2 2009, 20:33) *
Was that the on the Dreamcast?


yeah I believe so. It also had a arcade set up too if I remember correct. It's been out quite a while on Wii as a direct port and I finally gave it a go.
kendal mint cake
It was pretty revolutionary at the time on a home console. The Dreamcast had so many little nuances that made it a real collectors item.
JLM
QUOTE (Emperorseb @ Nov 2 2009, 16:32) *
What was better, Contra, Metal Slug or Gunstar Heroes.

Also, who here would fancy a Streets Of Rage vs. Final Fight crossover

Metal Slug > Gunstar Heroes > Contra.

That's highly debatable though. Metal Slug is the clear winner for me, but the other two are only separated by the fact that I love Treasure's art/characters/sense of humour and Gunstar Heroes just has so much character about it. It's short and it's actually quite easy by the standards of the genre, but it's a fantastic game and one I've completed many times over.

Final Fight/SOR cross-over? Meh. Final Fight is massively overrated.

I love scrolling fighters almost as much as VS. fighters, but FF suffers from being an arcade game built for short bursts and designed to take as many credits from you as possible. SOR was built for the Mega Drive, and number 2 in particular is one of the best and most playable games of the 16 bit era. Satisfying gameplay, great music, excellent character design and memorable boss battles that (on Very hard/Mania) were challenging but not completely unfair. I enjoy Final Fight, but SOR does everything better. I'd say that the best things FF did were a) Give SOR a decent game to rip off and b) contribute Guy and Hugo to the Streetfighter series. The world could have done without Cody in Alpha 3 and Maki in Capcom vs SNK 2. Oh, and Poison is pretty awesome. All gender-ambiguous and trampy. Cool character and quite an edgy one for the time. Haggar is a bad ass too. SOR is still miles better though. You know this.
Just Me
Anyone played Final Fight: Streetwise? It's actually not bad, though not a patch on The Warriors.
JLM
So the rumblings caused by that little teaser in the Stories from Liberty City manual is that the next GTA will be set in France. Paris would be a stupendous location, but it is the most speculative of speculation so far.

Thoughts?
Just Me
I'll be highly surprised if it happens. I think more of the typical GTA audience would be put off by it than it would attract or excite.
Joe_the_Lion
I hope they don't do it - tearing myself away from coming up with ever more creative ways to kill Frenchies in order to actually complete the games missions may prove nigh on impossible.

JLM
What American setting would you go with next if they decided to stick with it? They've done Scarface Miami, Boyz N The Hood California and they've done more than enough with New York. The only thing they do confirm in that teaser is that the latter (well "Liberty City") is over.

Or if not America, where?

London would still be nice like.

Just Me
Toronto could be interesting, if they shoehorned Niagara Falls in there.
Joe_the_Lion
Somewhere like Rio would be interesting. A colourful city with a dark underbelly, it would take the francise out of the States but you could also do it with english speaking characters without overly daft languages and still give the illusion that it's a departure from the North American GTA's we've seen so far.
Tommy!
QUOTE (Just Me @ Nov 3 2009, 11:18) *
Anyone played Final Fight: Streetwise? It's actually not bad, though not a patch on The Warriors.


The Warriors is amazing. A really fun quite varied game, in my view any way, which really captured the story. It had me hooked all the way through with the excellent blend of game play and story.

On GTA, the setting is a secondary point for me. I just really didn't get much from GTA:SA and haven't got more than about 2Hrs or so into GTA4 in the 12 months I've had it. Its just all felt like more of the same and I just couldn't have cared less. I will no doubt give it another go, but 4 just didn't draw me in or make me feel like I was having some big new experience with the series, something which I'd like to see improved from a personal perspective (as I assume its only me who sees it as I do) but it won't be done through a new city built around the model.
Astro Hollywood
I'd love another period piece. For a game whose setting is mostly about the music and cars, it's about time they covered the 70s.
Gay as FOOK
The Episodes From Liberty City manual teaser seems to suggest to me a mountainous/alpine/beach type locations judging by the picture. That and the inscription ''Theater Seagull'. Then again it also says ''opens everywhere March'' and that's when Red Dead Redemption will be released by Rockstar.

I think a deep south GTA would work really well. I know they touched on it with the country towns in San Andreas but a full state like, say, Texas, would be fantastic IMO. Places like Venice, Amsterdam and Moscow all ring a bell too. That said, I doubt the series will leave America again.
Chest Rockwell
A new Red Dead Revolver game? Sweet. I really enjoyed the first one, even though it was stupidly short.
Steve Justice
Yeah I loved Red Dead Revolver. The new one is called Red Dead Redemption, and was originally going to be released about this time but looks like it's been put back now.
Endeverafter
Sands of Destruction - NDS

It's been decent if unspectacular. I wonder if any other UKFFer is playing it.
Mr. Seven
Counting the days til Bioshock 2, although I'm a little put off by one review saying that it only takes five hours to complete.
jimufctna24
just finished AC 2 what a game really enjoyed it

its all about Heavy Rain for me this month, its got some good reviews so fingers crossed
LaGoosh
I'm trying to complete Asassins Creed 2 in my spare time before Bioshock 2 comes out but because the storyline makes no sense and has no momentum I have no idea how much longer I have left. Enjoying it though.
Chest Rockwell
My flatmate just got that Megadrive Collection. There's some awesome games in there, and lots fun and playable shitty games. Also, now that save games exist, I am actually going to complete Kid Chameleon legit, for the first time.


I've had assassin's creed 2 sat about for a while now, but haven't got around to playing it. I've just been too busy with Modern Warfare 2 (though I have started playing SFIV a bit again. it's not quite as fun without the arcade stick, but I had some really good online battles the other day)
JLM
That collection is pretty decent but it has some slightly annoying emulation issues and bugs. Also it has some tremendous inclusions like Dynamite Heddy, but massive omissions like Gunstar Heroes. It also has some utter wank like Decap Attack. No line up is going to please everyone I guess. Never, ever play Golden Axe 3 by the way. What a travesty.

My "what play you" news aside from the Megaman, Punchout, Maniac Mansion, SOR2 and SFIV stuff I've mentioned elsewhere, is that I'm buying a Mega Drive. I have Live Arcade, emulators, retro comps and a modded Xbox but none of them quite hit the spot. I miss my Mega Drive and I'm buying a new one. Best thing is that it's multi-region and the LED on the front (it's a Mega Drive 2) changes colour to let you know what setting it's on. smile.gif

WHERES LEROY
QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 10:20) *
It also has some utter wank like Decap Attack.


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Flicky (the 2D game) is the surprise star of the package. I can play that game for hours.
Chest Rockwell
Flicky is brilliant; good call.


You realise now, that I am definitely going to have to try Golden Axe 3.


I'm upset that no one seems to want to complete Altered Beast with me 2 player. It's so short! I think someone should be willing to put themselves through that so that I can enjoy it for nostalgic reasons..
FelatioLips
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Feb 4 2010, 12:42) *
Flicky is brilliant; good call.


You realise now, that I am definitely going to have to try Golden Axe 3.


I'm upset that no one seems to want to complete Altered Beast with me 2 player. It's so short! I think someone should be willing to put themselves through that so that I can enjoy it for nostalgic reasons..


I love Altered Beast and so would if it was online. Sadly though I 1000 pointed it and traded it in after completing most the games (except the solid ones like Ecco and E-Swat).
JLM
QUOTE (CheapSheep @ Feb 4 2010, 12:39) *
QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 10:20) *
It also has some utter wank like Decap Attack.


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Come on man, it's rubbish! It has a horrible art style, bland level design, a loathesome main character, mediocre gameplay and suffers worse than most of the other games in terms of emulation. Dynamite Heddy absolutely embarrasses that game.



Look at it! It offends the eyes.

You know what else is utter dogshit? Sonic Spinball. Yeah.

Oh, and play Golden Axe 3 if you will Rockwell, just know that it makes Golden Axe: Beast Rider look like a fitting tribute to the legacy of the series.
WHERES LEROY
I quite like it. I played it for the very first time in 2009, too, so I'm not dribbling a load of nostalgic twaddle, either. I don't think it's amazing, but I enjoyed playing it through, and it certainly doesn't deserve to be singled out over the likes of ESWAT, Alex Kidd, Ecco The Tedious Dolphin, the overrated Vectorman games and Super Thunder Blade.

I'd put it in the 'solid but unspectacular' Kid Chameleon category, myself.
Chest Rockwell
You are way out of line!

Kid Chameleon is awesome.

And I've not given it much of a shot yet, but on initial impressions Decap Attack is considerably worse than Alex Kidd. I'll give you Ecco being a boring load of shit though. I always hated that game. (though maybe I might have more patience for it now that I've grown up..?)
Just Me
Add me to the Flicky Appreciation Club.

QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 12:56) *
Dynamite Heddy absolutely embarrasses that game.

Headdy. It's my GameCentral Inbox name so get it right or else. And yes, that's where people write in a lot about Shenmue, not Shen Mue...

QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 12:56) *
You know what else is utter dogshit? Sonic Spinball. Yeah.

It's a heartbreaking one, this. The game desperately wants to be good. It has flashes of brilliance, and I've tried to love it, but it just handles so badly. If Sonic Team had lent a hand in that one area, all the dots would have been joined for a classic game.

While checking my facts there (to make sure Sonic Team wasn't involved at all), I found out there's a Sonic Spinball rollercoaster opening at Alton Towers this month, with several Sonic-themed rooms at the hotel. Holy cow.
JLM
Kid Chameleon is significantly better than Decap Attack in my view. Golden Axe 3 is worse than Decap Attack though.

I think we can all agree on Ecco the Dolphin being pretty boring though.

EDIT: Also yes, Sonic Spinball is completely hobbled by the way Sonic controls. Talk about falling at the first hurdle. He's floaty and weightless, unresponsive and doesn't feel remotely like Sonic or a pinball. Couldn't they have taken some cues from Casino Night Zone and gone from there? Oh, and Sonic's jump noise is wrong. You just can't change that. sad.gif
seph
QUOTE (Just Me @ Feb 4 2010, 13:11) *
Add me to the Flicky Appreciation Club.

QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 12:56) *
Dynamite Heddy absolutely embarrasses that game.

Headdy. It's my GameCentral Inbox name so get it right or else. And yes, that's where people write in a lot about Shenmue, not Shen Mue...

QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 12:56) *
You know what else is utter dogshit? Sonic Spinball. Yeah.

It's a heartbreaking one, this. The game desperately wants to be good. It has flashes of brilliance, and I've tried to love it, but it just handles so badly. If Sonic Team had lent a hand in that one area, all the dots would have been joined for a classic game.


I can't even make it out of the first level, thanks to those stupid acid pits angry.gif

For GTA 5, something I'd like to see attempted would be a natural disaster- changing the landscape halfway through the game would be a damn good test of the engine (if the switch actually occurs during play) and make new areas to explore, thus rewarding players that explore and punish those that don't by destroying hidden collectables forever.
Miamivenis
QUOTE (JLM @ Feb 4 2010, 13:12) *
I think we can all agree on Ecco the Dolphin being pretty boring though.

I don't think we can - Ecco is great fun. Or at least it was great fun when I originally played it back in the day though now it's just fun. ish.

The only good thing about Decap Attack Starring Chuck D Head is the name. It was the first game out of the Megadrive collection I played based entirely on this.

Flicky is brilliant fun, even the bonus levels are great.

Altered Beast not so much and I'm really struggling to see why anyone would play through it.

Gain Ground and Alien Storm are not games I would recommend to anyone though I find ESwat strangely fun despite its limitations. Not tried Dynamite Headdy yet but will be giving it a whirl based on the love in here.

This post has been formatted in loving memory of DJ Stevie C. RIP.
JLM
If he had Chuck D's head as a bit of multi-layered punning then I'd give it more love.

Altered Beast is a BAD GAME. I know it has tonnes of nostalgic love and the speech samples are legendary and you feel like a bad ass when you transform and the admittedly fantastic music hits.

HOWEVER! That only feels good because the gameplay when you're a man is absolutely dire. Your attacks don't work properly, most enemies are more agile, more potent or more capable than your character and it's all plodding and clunky and rubbish. I know that's kind of the point, but it makes for a pretty crappy gameplaying experience. Also it has that hangover from being an arcade game whereby it's primarily designed to steal credits from you.
Just Me
QUOTE (Miamivenis @ Feb 4 2010, 13:39) *
Altered Beast not so much and I'm really struggling to see why anyone would play through it.

In hope of more soundbites, obviously.
Chest Rockwell
I don't fully understand what's going on in Gain Ground, but the music is really good.


Something that hasn't been mentioned about altered beast yet - the blue baseball bat coming off your arms and legs looks really fucking silly. I never got what that was about at all.
seph
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Feb 4 2010, 13:45) *
I don't fully understand what's going on in Gain Ground, but the music is really good.


Something that hasn't been mentioned about altered beast yet - the blue baseball bat coming off your arms and legs looks really fucking silly. I never got what that was about at all.


Isn't that supposed to be a tongue of flame?

Also,
Duke
So...I've been playing Mass Effect 2 and I wanted to set aside a brief moment to talk about it. Mass Effect 1 is one of my favourite games of the past few years. It's a Bioware game, which always makes me swoon as I've yet to play a game of theirs that isn't at least very good, but it was also their first attempt at creating their own sci fi world for an rpg and more importantly, left their traditional rpg combat formula and decided to make the game a cover based shooter. What is so interesting, looking back, is how well that game was received and is held, because there's a lot of actual gameplay that's really bad. As there's no button to get into or out of cover, you can occasionally stick to it, your squad mates have a tendency to fire at enemies regardless of there being, say, a solid wall in the way and there are numerous graphical issues that dog it from the beginning. The touted "explore other planets" feature led to driving around barren landscapes with pretty much nothing on them, and to top it all off, you had to drive in the MAKO. It's difficult to find a game where driving is implemented quite so badly. No. Stop. I know there has recently been in increase in people claiming they miss the mako but those people are wrong. I played through the first game again recently to have a renegade character for the second and the mako is even worse than I remember. Absolutely terrible.

However, the story, the way the game is shot, the fully voiced aspect all let the player ignore these flaws in the gameplay because of the immersive and cinematic nature of the product. Chasing after the main antagonist, the actual moral choices (rather than just give money to a beggar or punch them) were absolutely fascinating, so the second was eagerly awaited. I am here to say that is was worth the wait, and it is absolutely fantastic.

Don't get me wrong, there are still some problems. The cover system still isn't perfectly implemented (although it is much, much better) and the complete revamp of upgrading won't be pleasant for some rpg hoarders, but it plays like a "how to make a sequel". Other developers take note, Bioware seemed to make a list of what was wrong the first game. Texture pop up: Sorted. The Mako: Gone. Clunky inventory: Gone. The decision to remove the inventory from the game is part of the streamlining effect, making everything smoother and makign the action that much more fluid. The fact that you don't have to level up guns anymore helps too, meaning that the gunning is not just a break between each carefully crafted story section but is a huge amount of tense fun in of itself. Instead of a health bar, you now have the FPStacular regen o health to go with your shield, but this works, it means you can take some risks, and on characters like say the Vanguard (who's new Sonic like charge attack where you transform into energy is AWESOME) it's the difference between fun and no fun because you don't want to die.

The story, in typical fashion, is top notch. Martin Sheen's Illusive man is a great bastard andSeth Green's Joker returns. The story is absolutely fantastic as ever, mixing the serious with the comic (seeing the Salarian doctor sing Gilbert and Sullivan is hilarious) and, unlike a lot of stories, peaks at the end in absolutely fantastic fashion. Without giving too much away, you spend a great deal of time creating this team, and as Bioware have made clear throughout the build up, the game has no problem killing or all of them (and you) off. And I mean this not just within gameplay where it makes you reload, I mean it is entirely possible for you to not be allowed to import your shepard into Mass Effect 3, because Shepard is dead. On my first play through, I lost 4 crew members, and one of them in particular caused me to slam my fist into the desk in frustration. I have never been so immersed into a final level of a game, cliff hanger endings leaving me with my hands over my mouth as I panicked. That has *never* happened to me before.

One flaw I will say is that it is simply nowhere near as good if you haven't played the first game. Various story aspects, plenty of quests and emails you receive are directly related to events in the first game, andf if you haven't played that through, you won't enjoy this as much. However, you can consider that your punishment for not playing the first game. Despite the flaws, it's really good. The second is even better, I can not wait for the third.
FelatioLips
I didn't know the blue things in Altered Beast were two headed dogs till I was 18. I always thought they were blue pigs. sad.gif
Chest Rockwell
They're dogs??

I thought they were bulls, and the brown ones were cows.
JLM
QUOTE (TripleA @ Feb 4 2010, 15:23) *
I didn't know the blue things in Altered Beast were two headed dogs till I was 18. I always thought they were blue pigs. sad.gif


I had that exact revelation at about the same age. I still call the blue ones Power-Pigs.
MRMIdAS
It's near!
http://www.bombergames.net/sorr_project/
JLM
Ha, weird, I was just on that site last night to see where they're up to. Played through SOR2 on Mania the other day with Whinehouse and it reminded me to check on Bombergames. It's going to be incredible.
Casey V
Altered Beast: How could you not know that the dogs were meant to be Cerberus (or Orthrus, I cant remember how many heads they have) when there were pictures in the manual? Mind though I only played AB in my childhood on my Master System.

Decap Attack: I loved this as a kid, and graphics wise it still looks great today, and the music is still top notch old school stuff, especially the pause/item menu theme. Sure its a bit clunky and slow, but I enjoyed playing through it recently just to see the bosses I couldn't reach as a kid thumbs-up.gif

Kid Chameleon: Great game that seems daunting at first given its size, but once you find the shortcuts and hidden warps it becomes a joy to play. Its all about the Maniaxe...

Golden Axe 3: Clumsy, dreadful animation, crap enemy design and god awful music. It does have some saving graces though in the form of more complex movesets than the other two games, some great double team moves, and even double team magic. I gave it a few fun playthroughs in the end.

Gain Ground: Its a strategy game, and you either 'get it' or you dont. It has some nice ideas and quirks which I like, and it still makes me feel strange whenever I reach the 'present day' timezone, and realise that 'present' was actually 20 years ago...
LaGoosh
I completed Assassins Creed 2, and I don't know if it's because I never played the first one but it has the most insane, nonsensical and impossible to understand storyline ever. At no point did I understand why I was doing anything and the ending randomly threw in magical powers and aliens out of fucking nowhere. Good game though.
MoistVaj
Got my beloved Dreamcast out of storage earlier and had a quick whirl on Street Fighter 3- 3rd Strike after purchasing it again last week, for the exact same price I paid for it on release. Worth every penny though, was on it for a couple of hours and its Street Fighter innit?
Sega Bass Fishing with the rod doesnt quite have the same appeal now the Wii is around but its still not too bad for a quick half hour blitz, same for House of The Dead 2. I need to get a DC X region free disc to get Giant Gram 2000 on it, never had the chance to play it, or if I have enough spare cash at the end of the month, I'm considering just getting a Japanese DC instead. Hopefully get round to buying some more games for it too, apart from those mentioned, I only have RE: Code Veronica, Aerowings and Sonic Adventure, a Fighting Stick is gonna be essential because those pads are just too harsh on the hands!
MRMIdAS
Just download a boot disk, they're barely over 50mb, piss easy to burn, and remove region coding.
Ron Simmons
QUOTE (Casey V @ Feb 5 2010, 15:03) *
Gain Ground: Its a strategy game, and you either 'get it' or you dont. It has some nice ideas and quirks which I like, and it still makes me feel strange whenever I reach the 'present day' timezone, and realise that 'present' was actually 20 years ago...

Yes! I was playing this the other day too, and it's very, very odd. A nostalgic feeling is what I get.

QUOTE
Altered Beast: How could you not know that the dogs were meant to be Cerberus (or Orthrus, I cant remember how many heads they have) when there were pictures in the manual? Mind though I only played AB in my childhood on my Master System.

I hate this game with a passion. It's not aged well at all. Even when I was younger I thought it was shit.

I've been playing Bioshock 2 kind of half-heartedly. I've maybe been playing it for 45 mins at a time to progress the story, but at the same time I'm getting very bored of the gameplay. It seems a lot more repetetive than the original, and it seems to be lacking a certain something. As creepy as the character of Sophia Lang is, the whole story is lacking overall, and doesn't hold a torch to that of the original. I've yet to play the multiplayer game, and while I've heard it's good I'll reserve judgement until I play it myself.
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