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bobbins
QUOTE (The King Of Swing @ Oct 23 2009, 18:03) *
HAHA funny pic thumbs-up.gif

As for the complaints it usually only takes about a dozen for the beeb to brick it so 140 complaining about the BNP being bullied is a pretty large amount.

They get a hell of a lot more complaints than that whenever Kelvin Mackenzie's on.
Tequila_Boy
QUOTE (Pityinthecityofsin @ Oct 23 2009, 22:18) *
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"I spent the entire night with my back turned to him.


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I don't know if the cameras picked this up but Griffin was trembling and shaking like a leaf.


She's contradicted herself there, hasn't she?

Also, not apropos of the thread's current topic, but I just watched WWE Superstars and Matt Striker called Tommy Dreamer "the leader of the Labour party."


Thats just nit-picking a figure of speech
Vito
I think it's terrible that only eight million people bothered to watch this weeks Question Time, especially when you consider that last years X-Factor finale pulled in almost double those numbers. I don't consider myself to be politically active but in my view having Nick Griffin on the show was the right decision as he was finally given the opportunity to show what an ignorant fool he and his ilk truly are. I was disappointed that so much time was wasted discussing irrelevant matters from the past but I was relieved that Griffin clearly lacked the intelligence or wit to counter any of the accusations that were slung his way.
patdfb
QUOTE (Vito @ Oct 24 2009, 3:36) *
I think it's terrible that only eight million people bothered to watch this weeks Question Time, especially when you consider that last years X-Factor finale pulled in almost double those numbers. I don't consider myself to be politically active but in my view having Nick Griffin on the show was the right decision as he was finally given the opportunity to show what an ignorant fool he and his ilk truly are. I was disappointed that so much time was wasted discussing irrelevant matters from the past but I was relieved that Griffin clearly lacked the intelligence or wit to counter any of the accusations that were slung his way.



I think it was on the Beeb or even Sky News that the 8 million viewers for that time slot is an all time record. What I didnt get, is why, like when the expenses scandal broke, they didnt shift QT to a prime time slot, especially when it was recorded slightly earlier than usual too.
Vito
Agreed. This weeks QT was, in my view, one of the most important broadcasts in British television history. To put the leader of a far-right political party on taxpayer funded television was an incredibly bold move and we're lucky that Griffin came across as an uneducated buffoon and not the colourful and charismatic character that BNP voters believe he is. As long as this country remains a Democracy the BNP, especially with the backing of one million voters, have a right to air their views, to deny them of that is to admit that freedom of speech really only applies to those with "acceptable views", which is more dangerous than the BNP could ever hope to be.
The King Of Swing
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'One In Five Voters Now Considering BNP

More than a fifth of voters would consider voting for the British National Party according to the first opinion poll taken since the controversial appearance of Nick Griffin on Question Time.

Taken in the hours after Mr Griffin's appearance, the YouGov poll for The Daily Telegraph found 22% of voters would seriously consider voting BNP in a future local, general or European election.

Two thirds said they would never vote BNP under any circumstances, with the rest unsure.

More than half of those questioned said that they agreed with the BNP, or thought that the party had a point, in wishing to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people which successive governments have done too little to protect.

This included 43% who said that while they shared some of its concerns, they had no sympathy for the party itself.

Twelve per cent said that they completely agreed with the BNP and supported the party's decision to speak up, while 38% said that they disagreed totally with the BNP's political outlook.

The figures are based on a sample of 1,314 electors across Britain interviewed online from October 22-23.

A BBC spokesman said: "We have been very clear in setting out our reasons for having Nick Griffin on Question Time.

"The BBC's obligation is around due impartiality. It is not our job to comment on the ebb and flow of opinion polls."

Mr Griffin's debut appearance on the show sparked uproar, with angry scenes outside BBC TV Centre in west London as nearly 1,000 demonstrators protested at the move.

He said he is to make a formal complaint to the BBC about his treatment on the panel, which he believed had been deliberately "twisted" in order to focus on him and his party's policies, leaving him to face a "lynch mob".

Meanwhile, a former government adviser said Labour had allowed huge increases in immigration over the past decade to socially engineer a more multicultural Britain.

Andrew Neather, a speechwriter who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration".

Ministers hoped to radically change the country and by doing so "rub the Right's nose in diversity".

But Mr Neather said senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its "core working-class vote".


Oh dear sad.gif

The part in bold I can actually believe with the cretins we have in power but revealing that now be it true or BS could very well push more voters towards the BNP.
SpursRiot2012
Oh come on maaaan, what's wrong with multiculturalism? Nothing at all, apparantly.
The King Of Swing
I don't have a problem with multiculturalism but what we have in the UK is forced and will only lead to tension and social/racial divides further down the line.

Just my opinion of course.
bAzTNM#1
QUOTE (BionicRedneck @ Oct 23 2009, 20:47) *

Best site ever. So enjoyable to slap that CUNT.

Question from Mother I can't answer: Why do the British Nazi's hate Nick Griffin and the BNP? Thank you.
CruX
QUOTE (bAzTNM#1 @ Oct 24 2009, 9:41) *
QUOTE (BionicRedneck @ Oct 23 2009, 20:47) *

Best site ever. So enjoyable to slap that CUNT.

Question from Mother I can't answer: Why do the British Nazi's hate Nick Griffin and the BNP? Thank you.


They think he's too liberal.
Vito
QUOTE (bAzTNM#1 @ Oct 24 2009, 9:41) *
Why do the British Nazi's hate Nick Griffin and the BNP?

Nick Griffin and the higher-ups in the BNP are constantly seen wearing black jackets over white shirts in public. To wear a black jacket (which represents the filthy negro immigrant criminal) over the white shirt (which represents the noble white man) promotes the wrong sort of message and in the eyes of a few makes a mockery of the whole white supremacist movement.
chardcire
I am not racist and never have been but when I was between the ages of 17-19 I was very anti immigration and felt that the government was letting too many people in. Then I started getting the feeling that my pride in being British was being demonised as I can no longer officially call myself English I have to call myself White. I am not complaining to the level of the BNP because to be honest its not a huge deal I just think its a crying shame I cannot vocalise my pride in being English as a white person, by all means my mate Abdul can talk about how proud he is to be English but for me to wave the flag or to back Pro UK stances would nowadays be misconstrued as racist and small minded. I believe immigration needs to be curbed quite drastically and that we need to fight the other governments in Europe who show no regard for our border control rules (I am looking at you France). I know plenty of immigrants and they are fine people, my anger from when I was younger has passed. These people want a new life and we provide them a better standard. Nick Griffin is playing into the worries and fears of those who feel they cannot hold back this tide, that the government is demonising your average white family and that their way of life is threatened. He claims he is no Nazi but how many times have we seen documentaries on tv about neo nazi groups where they are targeting the young who have little future, or those who fear change because they know they will get their support.

The BNP will hardly get anything from Question Time but I think it was highly irresponsible of the BBC to allow such bullying of Nick Griffin. There should have been more done to control the situation. I understand people are angry that a fascist could get so popular to be elected but it would have been so much better if we could have let them bury themselves. Communism and Fascism are political trains of thought that are now outdated, the possibility of a fascist government in this country is virtually nil. By bullying Nick Griffin they give him reason to complain and ask for more airtime on QT in a 'non multicultural area like london' because he wants to make his points. I think that is a bloody good idea, take QT to his contituency or whatever, have the locals for and opposimng the BNP come in and really question him about his policies, then get the Liberals, the Conservatives and Labour representatives to say what they will do, to pledge some difference making policy and I am sure Griffin will lose many supporters.
Segaboyno
I fully support the BNP. I'm not xenophobic in the slightest, but I do feel that England is losing its heritage due to the high levels of immigrants, many of which don't even speak English, and many of which want us to make adaptations to our culture to make them feel more at home.

The BNP immigration policies detailed on its website make for interesting reading. The country is already bursting at the seams as it is, and really needs more careful border control. Deporting the two million who are currently here illegally is essential.
Vito
According to the BNP the only people who belong here in England are the "ethnically British", that refers to white people who were born in this country. If you support the BNP then you support the deportation of every non-white and every white foreigner regardless of how long they've lived here or how much they've contributed to this country.

There's a sadistic side of me that would love to see what England would be like with no doctors, no taxi drivers, no street cleaners and no restaurants. I wonder who Nick Griffin would blame when England became a third world country overnight.
Just Me
QUOTE (Segaboyno @ Oct 24 2009, 13:30) *
I fully support the BNP. I'm not xenophobic in the slightest, but I do feel that England is losing its heritage due to the high levels of immigrants, many of which don't even speak English, and many of which want us to make adaptations to our culture to make them feel more at home.

The BNP immigration policies detailed on its website make for interesting reading. The country is already bursting at the seams as it is, and really needs more careful border control. Deporting the two million who are currently here illegally is essential.

Fully? Really?

Or do you just support the "safe" policies that pander to the average disillusioned numpty, and casually overlook the more downright evil policies reserved for the lowest of racist scum?
Enter Raven
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I fully support the BNP. I'm not xenophobic in the slightest, but I do feel that England is losing its heritage due to the high levels of immigrants, many of which don't even speak English, and many of which want us to make adaptations to our culture to make them feel more at home.

The BNP immigration policies detailed on its website make for interesting reading. The country is already bursting at the seams as it is, and really needs more careful border control. Deporting the two million who are currently here illegally is essential.

I don't think there are many people questioning that immigration is, or at least will be very soon, out of control in the UK. It isn't racist or fascist to say that, it's the truth, the Canadians and Australians realised this long ago. But I'm pretty sure, if you look into every last detail, you probably don't fully support the BNP, or even if you agree with the vast majority of their policies, surely you can see that the people running it and most of the people with memberships, are complete morons.

As long as you feel British, and as long as you appreciate the heritage of Britain in your own way, it will never be lost, and I think you'll find, considering the hammering Labour has got over it, when the Tories get in next election, immigration will improve significantly. England doesn't need the BNP to do that. I'm not Conservative, but I am able to see that the BNP are not the only people who will decrease immigration, hell, if you don't want to vote Tory, vote UKIP, they love their bloody fossil fuel factories but they'll sort immigration out too.

I couldn't buy into the BNP, even if I agreed with absolutely everything they said, because the people behind it are fools, as proved on Question Time, but who's more the fool....?
JNLister
According to Nick Robinson, the format wasn't changed for this episode.
David
QUOTE (Vito @ Oct 24 2009, 12:47) *
According to the BNP the only people who belong here in England are the "ethnically British", that refers to white people who were born in this country.


Really?

Whenever i've heard Griffin talk about the matter he has mentioned the fact that they are not looking to eject anyone who is not;

1) An illegal immigrant
2) An immigrant with a criminal record

He has said that money would be available for anyone who wishes to return to the country of their parents birth if they wish, but then again they have said that the Government offer this option already.

I'm sure they're lying though, just like they did about Churchills views on racism.
bAzTNM#1
QUOTE (Vito @ Oct 24 2009, 11:30) *
QUOTE (bAzTNM#1 @ Oct 24 2009, 9:41) *
Why do the British Nazi's hate Nick Griffin and the BNP?

Nick Griffin and the higher-ups in the BNP are constantly seen wearing black jackets over white shirts in public. To wear a black jacket (which represents the filthy negro immigrant criminal) over the white shirt (which represents the noble white man) promotes the wrong sort of message and in the eyes of a few makes a mockery of the whole white supremacist movement.

That true? Absolutely insane.
ReturnOfTheMack
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 24 2009, 20:39) *
QUOTE (Vito @ Oct 24 2009, 12:47) *
According to the BNP the only people who belong here in England are the "ethnically British", that refers to white people who were born in this country.


Really?

Whenever i've heard Griffin talk about the matter he has mentioned the fact that they are not looking to eject anyone who is not;

1) An illegal immigrant
2) An immigrant with a criminal record

He has said that money would be available for anyone who wishes to return to the country of their parents birth if they wish, but then again they have said that the Government offer this option already.

I'm sure they're lying though, just like they did about Churchills views on racism.



Well, a quick google search has an article from the Time where it says he said:


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ON RACE “Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create “Black Britons”, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land”

ON THE HOLOCAUST “The ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria”

ON POWER “When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate. We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation. If people come to crack our heads we will break theirs”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article633579.ece#


Of course, its an article from 2006 and says he said it in 1999. But still, he has said it.

David
QUOTE (Darkstar @ Oct 24 2009, 21:15) *
Of course, its an article from 2006 and says he said it in 1999. But still, he has said it.


thumbs-up.gif

Has anyone else seen anything about Griffin being confirmed as correct about what Churchill said? No?

Me neither.
ReturnOfTheMack
Well, wikiquotes says


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Keep England White" is a good slogan.

On Commonwealth immigration, recorded in Harold Macmillan's diary entry for 1955-01-20 (Peter Catterall (ed.), The Macmillan Diaries: The Cabinet Years, 1950-57 (Macmillan, 2003), p. 382)


So it could be possible, if he thought that way.
David
I've posted an article regarding the Churchill allegations a few pages back. They come from a so-called reputable source.

See, the problem is, i'm always slightly sceptical of what the media prints & says, especially the media that is run directly by the likes of Rupert Murdoch (The Sun, News Of The World, The Times & Sunday Times, and Sky TV), Harold Harmsworth (Daily Mail, Mail On Sunday, The Metro, and part of ITN), and Conrad Black (Daily Telegraph, Jerusalem Post and Chicago Sun-Times) before 1997.

One person having so much control over what the majority of the nation read, and ultimately regard as fact, isn't really ideal.
JNLister
And what makes it worse is that the likes of the Times, Mail and Sun are all notoriously left-wing with a biased liberal, multicultural perspective which hides the truth which the BNP tell.

Incidentally, while Griffin's dad fought in the war and Straw's didn't, my grandad fought in two wars (WWII and Korea) so my opinion on racial issues wins.
David
QUOTE (JNLister @ Oct 24 2009, 22:57) *
And what makes it worse is that the likes of the Times, Mail and Sun are all notoriously left-wing with a biased liberal, multicultural perspective which hides the truth which the BNP tell.

Incidentally, while Griffin's dad fought in the war and Straw's didn't, my grandad fought in two wars (WWII and Korea) so my opinion on racial issues wins.


Possibly.

Or maybe it has more to do with the influence these media forms can have over people when it comes to political matters that actually make a difference to what happens in the country.




ReturnOfTheMack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

Made me chuckle anyway.
Enter Raven
QUOTE
Possibly.

Or maybe it has more to do with the influence these media forms can have over people when it comes to political matters that actually make a difference to what happens in the country.

In theory, I am totally with you. I completely disapprove of large corporate entities, and individuals owning mass amounts of influential enterprises. However, this doesn't change anything about the BNP. The BNP are not being dragged through the gutter because the media has presented outright lies condemning them as something they're not, they are being dragged through the gutter because despite having one or two policies that SOME of the British public agree with, their ultimate agendas and more radical policies are completely at odds with anyone who isn't an outright fascist.
David
QUOTE (Enter Raven @ Oct 25 2009, 1:07) *
However, this doesn't change anything about the BNP.


I never said it changed anything about the BNP, did I?

QUOTE (Enter Raven @ Oct 25 2009, 1:07) *
The BNP are not being dragged through the gutter because the media has presented outright lies condemning them as something they're not, they are being dragged through the gutter because despite having one or two policies that SOME of the British public agree with, their ultimate agendas and more radical policies are completely at odds with anyone who isn't an outright fascist.


Regardless of what you think about the BNP, and I think we all know that a party as small and insignificant as them deserve nowhere near as much media coverage as they got last week, what Griffin said about Winston Churchill has been reported as true.

Thats not a plus for the BNP, because they could put fucking Ghandi on their pamphlets and it still wouldn't change what they represent.

What it does highlight however, is the easy way in which the facts were discarded during that show.

After Griffin mentioned the Churchill situation we still had all of the other politicians on the panel spout off about how he would "never have agreed with such policies".

To highlight those facts about Churchill would have put a dent in the good old "we won the war against the evil Nazis" story. Old Winston is a British hero, a good man who stood for what was right in this country, and all that shit.

I'm not saying that Griffin deserves any sympathy at all, and I certainly wouldn't say he deserves anyone's support, but the bottom line is, he was right in that instance.

Maybe there are other occasions when he was right as well?

It's easy to highlight the areas where he is totally out of line, such as immigration.

Doing that helps to gloss over the fact that he is drawing attention, intentionally or not (most likely not), to matters such as the EU and the war in front of 8 million people.

I'm solidly of the opinion that the main reason the Labour Party didn't want him on national television wasn't because he's an intolerant racist, or because they believed that he represents a threat to our lovely society.

It was because by simply being there, he forces some uncomfortable questions to be asked about their policies and actions over the past ten years or so.

The BNP will get nowhere, thats a fact.

But having them making noises about immigration, the situation with the EU, the wars in the middle-east etc isn't ideal for the current mob.

Them passing themselves off as the bastions of all that is good & decent in society, acting in our best interests by trying to keep Griffin off television is almost as laughable as Griffin trying to pass himself off as a legitimite politician.








JNLister
It depends on what you mean by "what Griffin said was right".

I can't find any record either way about whether Churchill said the immigration stuff. He did say the stuff about Islam, though the quote is from 1899, so may not be reflective of his attitudes during the 1940s.

However, it's certainly not a fact that he would have joined the BNP because no other party today would have him:

* His descendants, who may have some insight, say that isn't the case.

* From what I remember of the quote Griffin assigned to him about immigration, it's very possible he'd be allowed in the Conservatives today, albeit probably not as leader. But then most former Conservative leaders wouldn't be considered suitable to lead the party today.

* Given that the claim was about Churchill's views on immigration rather than race, if he were barred from the Conservatives today, he'd presumably have a natural place in UKIP, not BNP.

* In terms of general direction, Churchill was on the same side with many policies as the British Union of Fascists, the 1930s equivalent of the BNP. He didn't join them.

* Even if Churchill got in a time machine, arrived in 2009, and decided the BNP was the party best aligned with his views, I can 100% guarantee he would not have joined them. Why am I so confident? Because somebody would have told him that the BNP's director of communications Mark Collett called him "a fucking cunt."

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But having them making noises about immigration, the situation with the EU, the wars in the middle-east etc isn't ideal for the current mob.


The BNP isn't needing to force that debate on Question Time. Immigration is regularly discussed. EU gets talked about a lot, and they regularly have anti-EU people, including UKIP the previous week. And as far as I remember, somebody in the audience (and often people in the panel) have questioned and attacked the government over the Iraq war on every episode of Question Time for the past six years.

Anyone who tries to argue that immigration isn't discussed by the major parties should take a look back at the last general election when the Conservative party pretty much talked about nothing else, and even came up with the policy of putting a quota on asylum.

Oh, and not that it makes any difference to the validity of any political arguments, but it turns out Nick Griffin's dad was a radio engineer in the war and didn't actually see any combat.
JNLister
While I'm up at an ungodly hour and nerding about...

The next election is by no means a slam-dunk in terms of who forms the next government, even though Labour likely won't win a majority. Based on current polls, electoralcalculus.co.uk predicts a Conservative majority of 44. However, it only takes a 1.5% swing back from Conservative to Labour and you've got a hung parliament with the Tories maybe just scraping a government with the help of the Northern Ireland unionists and a couple of independent/minor parties. Bump that up to 2% and they've got no way of making a government without the Lib Dems.

David
QUOTE (JNLister @ Oct 25 2009, 2:48) *
It depends on what you mean by "what Griffin said was right".

I can't find any record either way about whether Churchill said the immigration stuff. He did say the stuff about Islam, though the quote is from 1899, so may not be reflective of his attitudes during the 1940s.


According to The Guardian;

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Sir Winston Churchill and his cabinet colleagues, concerned at the number of "coloured people" they thought were moving to Britain to take advantage of the welfare state, considered introducing immigration controls more than 50 years ago, according to records released yesterday from the National Archives.

In hand-written notebooks, the cabinet secretary, Sir Norman Brook, noted that the then home secretary thought there was a good case for excluding "riff-raff".

Brook stated that controls were discussed at a cabinet meeting on February 3 1954, six years after the ship the Empire Windrush docked at Tilbury with 492 immigrants from Jamaica.

Churchill commented: "Wd lke also to study possibility of a 'quota' - [number] not to be exceeded."

The prime minister began the discussion, saying: "Problems will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."

Florence Horsbrugh, the minister of education, added that the problem was becoming "serious" in Manchester. David Maxwell-Fyfe, the home secretary, reported that the total of "coloured people" in Britain had risen from 7,000 before the second world war to 40,000 at the time of writing, with 3,666 of those unemployed, and 1,870 on national assistance, or benefits.

He referred to those "living on immoral earnings". Of 62 people convicted the previous year in the Metropolitan police area, 24 were "coloured". He added: "All administrative measures to discourage have been taken. Only further step would be immigration control over admittance to the UK. We would have to admit in Parliament that purpose of legislation was to control [admission] of coloured. There is a case on merits for excluding riff-raff. But politically it would be represented & discussed on basis of a colour limitation. That would offend the floating vote, and the old Liberals. We should be reversing age-long tradition that British [subjects] have right of entry to mother-country of Empire. We should offend Liberals, also sentimentalists."

But fearing public feeling, he said the risk of introducing controls should not be taken "today". He warned: "The colored populations are resented in Lpl, Paddington & other areas By those who come into contact with them. But those who don't are apt to take Liberal view."


The idea that Griffin believes Churchill would join his party is completely irrelevant to be honest. The guy died nearly 50 years ago, so we won't ever know.

I agree with you that he would likely have been more suited to UKIP though.

What i'm interested in is the way this information was just completely ignored in favour of the rose-tinted view we are usually given about Churchill.

QUOTE (JNLister @ Oct 25 2009, 2:48) *
The BNP isn't needing to force that debate on Question Time. Immigration is regularly discussed. EU gets talked about a lot, and they regularly have anti-EU people, including UKIP the previous week. And as far as I remember, somebody in the audience (and often people in the panel) have questioned and attacked the government over the Iraq war on every episode of Question Time for the past six years.


I won't disagree that we have seen numerous tough questions on all matters posed to representatives of the Government on Question Throughout the years.

The difference is, none of the issues have ever been brought up in front of such a huge or diverse audience.

This show and the media circus beforehand attracted record numbers, with a lot of those numbers being people who never usually take an interest in politics.

I'd be willing to bet that most of these people have only a basic understanding at best of what is actually happening in this country with regards to "boring" issues like the EU and immigration.

This show brought more eyes and ears to these topics in a way which was compelling. Thats not what the Labour party wanted in my opinion.

I have no fear that this show, or anything that follows will do anything for the BNP.

Sure, it may have made them a more legit political party, but thats not a big deal really, as they aren't ever going to be more than a fringe party, regardless of their legit status.

Even (the few) people who agree with their policies will know that voting for them is akin to voting Green or Respect.

They will have councillors come and go in local elections, with numbers going up slightly in some places, and down in others depending on how restless the voters in that area are.

They won't make any breakthroughs though.

I can't help but feel that the media and the other parties know this is the case, but make a lot of noise about "banning" or "destroying" simply to move attention away from the pressing issues of the day, and more importantly, issues where the current lot are failing.

Carbomb
On a side note, I think Churchill was a cunt, but that doesn't mean I'm pro-BNP. Anyone who breaks up strikes by getting troops to fire on and kill strikers is a piece of shit.
kjh
QUOTE (Segaboyno @ Oct 24 2009, 12:30) *
Deporting the two million who are currently here illegally is essential.


Is this really a feasible policy? Ask yourself these questions: How would you find all these illegal immigrants, who don't want to be found? Having found them, where would we deport them to, if they refuse to tell us where they are from? Who would implement this policy, as the police and army are already stretched thin as it is? How much would this policy cost? Given our huge budget deficit, how would we go about paying for it? Saying deport them all is simple, but if you stop and think about it implementing such a policy without infringing on the civil liberties of the people in this country who are here legally would be impossible.
David
QUOTE (kjh @ Oct 25 2009, 15:04) *
Is this really a feasible policy? Ask yourself these questions: How would you find all these illegal immigrants, who don't want to be found? Having found them, where would we deport them to, if they refuse to tell us where they are from? Who would implement this policy, as the police and army are already stretched thin as it is? How much would this policy cost? Given our huge budget deficit, how would we go about paying for it? Saying deport them all is simple, but if you stop and think about it implementing such a policy without infringing on the civil liberties of the people in this country who are here legally would be impossible.


How would you like to see it solved?
children of bodom
i don't know much about politics but i over heard someone on the bus talking about the BNP

what i gathered was that ages a go every europen country signed something that we where all welcome in others countrys so i could go live in france or germany and a german could come live in england?
than some places (france and germany these people named) wouldn't let other europeans in?
now nearly every europen country in europen apart from england has banned people coming in?
so the BNP want us to ban it too?

if this is true i m with the BNP. its getting stupid the amount of foregins who come into england, get free health care,free student loans, and take all are jobs. its about time we stopped being so british and saying "welcome to britain" and tell them to fuck off back to their own country.

i don't know how right these two people where they where old people i say 70's
BionicRedneck
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 16:22) *
i don't know much about politics but i over heard someone on the bus talking about the BNP

what i gathered was that ages a go every europen country signed something that we where all welcome in others countrys so i could go live in france or germany and a german could come live in england?
than some places (france and germany these people named) wouldn't let other europeans in?
now nearly every europen country in europen apart from england has banned people coming in?
so the BNP want us to ban it too?

if this is true i m with the BNP. its getting stupid the amount of foregins who come into england, get free health care,free student loans, and take all are jobs. its about time we stopped being so british and saying "welcome to britain" and tell them to fuck off back to their own country.

i don't know how right these two people where they where old people i say 70's


No shit.
kjh
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 16:22) *
i don't know much about politics but i over heard someone on the bus talking about the BNP

what i gathered was that ages a go every europen country signed something that we where all welcome in others countrys so i could go live in france or germany and a german could come live in england?
than some places (france and germany these people named) wouldn't let other europeans in?
now nearly every europen country in europen apart from england has banned people coming in?
so the BNP want us to ban it too?

if this is true i m with the BNP. its getting stupid the amount of foregins who come into england, get free health care,free student loans, and take all are jobs. its about time we stopped being so british and saying "welcome to britain" and tell them to fuck off back to their own country.

i don't know how right these two people where they where old people i say 70's


I knew this was blatantly untrue when I read it, but I did a quick google search to get the correct details about EU migration policy:

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FREE MOVEMENT AND ENLARGEMENT. The EU has admitted 12 new member-states since 2004: eight Central and East European countries, plus Cyprus and Malta, joined in 2004, followed by Bulgaria and Romania in 2007 – bringing the
EU’s membership to 27. Roughly half of Western Europe’s immigrants in recent years have come from these countries. (However, some large intra-EU movements have been unconnected to enlargement: an estimated 750,000 UK citizens, for example, have moved to Spain in recent years). Unlike immigrants from non-members, EU nationals are free to enter or live in other member-states without the need for visas or residence permits. EU citizens and their families have the legal right to live anywhere throughout the Union for three months, after which they must be working, studying or financially independent if they wish to stay. After five years, this right of residence becomes permanent. EU countries can expel other member-states’ citizens only if the person is a proven threat to public safety. These rights are set out in detail in a key 2006 European directive on free movement. The right to free movement does not automatically entail the right to work in another member-state. Existing EU members were allowed a transitional period of seven years before opening their labour markets to workers from the new entrants. The majority now have no restrictions on workers from those countries that joined the EU in 2004. But a large number have maintained restrictions on Bulgaria and Romania. The exceptions are Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Sweden. From 2014, the period of transition will end and there will be complete free movement of workers between all member-states. However, EU countries can still close labour markets in an emergency, if the Commission approves the decision.


Moral of the story: instead of believing what a couple of BNP supporters say on a bus, find the facts for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
Rob Lowe
Getting your politics/history lesson from elderly people on the bus is one of the most frightening things Ive read on here.

More frightening than any horror story you could ever write Bodom.
children of bodom
can someone tell me what the BNP do want then and why everyone hates them
Ronnie
Read the last few pages.

Read the BNP's Wikipedia page.

Maybe consider reading the thread Would You Support The BNP?
children of bodom
BNP are committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration

so basically getting rid of blacks that are not english?? i think i might join
Psygnosis
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 16:22) *
i don't know much about politics but i over heard someone on the bus talking about the BNP

what i gathered was that ages a go every europen country signed something that we where all welcome in others countrys so i could go live in france or germany and a german could come live in england?
than some places (france and germany these people named) wouldn't let other europeans in?
now nearly every europen country in europen apart from england has banned people coming in?
so the BNP want us to ban it too?

if this is true i m with the BNP. its getting stupid the amount of foregins who come into england, get free health care,free student loans, and take all are jobs. its about time we stopped being so british and saying "welcome to britain" and tell them to fuck off back to their own country.

i don't know how right these two people where they where old people i say 70's


Leave the thread, now for your own good, bit of friendly advice.
ian b
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 18:27) *
BNP are committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration

so basically getting rid of blacks that are not english?? i think i might join

You should, you'd fit in with all the other semiliterate cretins.
David
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 17:25) *
can someone tell me what the BNP do want then and why everyone hates them


I'm guessing you mean their policies?

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Foreign Affairs

We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. In this regard, a BNP government will:

- Reach an accord with the Muslim world whereby they will agree to take back their excess population which is currently colonising this country, in exchange for an ironclad guarantee that Britain will never again interfere in the political affairs of the Middle East or try to dictate to any Arab or Muslim country as to what their internal government form should be; and

- Maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

With regard to Europe, a BNP government will:


- Resolutely oppose the single European currency;

- Support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures.

At the same time, a BNP government will strive for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours. The nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial without being forced into a straightjacket of political and economic unification – which is neither desirable, ultimately practically unfeasible and which is guaranteed to create conflict rather than avoid it.

Accordingly, a BNP government will withdraw from the European Union.

In place of the EU, a BNP government will aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us.

Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP government will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

In addition, a BNP government will reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid.

Only once poverty and deprivation amongst British people has been eliminated, can any thought be given to foreign aid – and even then, a BNP government will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, in terms of which those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.


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Defence:

The BNP’s defence policy is to:

- Strengthen our conventional forces;

- Retain a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent and produce all our weaponry in Britain;

- Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake;

- Preserve and restore our historic County Regiments;

- Bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since political developments make both commitments obsolete;

- Close all foreign military bases on British soil;

- Refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peacekeeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake;

- Restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.


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Housing & Welfare:

The BNP’s housing policy is:

- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;

- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;

- Preserve the ‘right to buy’ of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;

- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;

- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live.

- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.

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Health:

The BNP’s policy is to:

- Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists;

- Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people;

- Bring hospital cleaning back in-house and make high cleanliness a top priority;

- End the scandal of foreign health tourism;

- Train and pay to retain British doctors, nurses and dentists instead of looting the Third World of staff who are desperately needed in their home countries;

- Revitalise the healthcare system by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention — low pay.

- We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them.

- Finally, more emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.


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Education:

The BNP’s policy consists of the following building blocks:

- The restoration of discipline – including corporal punishment – uniforms, traditional teaching methods and stricter exams (e.g. ‘0′ levels);

- The reintroduction of grammar schools with entrance exams at 11 and 13;

- The reversal of the programme to close special needs schools which penalises the most vulnerable;

- The reintroduction of competitive sports and daily Christian assemblies;

- The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed “modern” teaching methods);

- The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;

- The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;

- The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake “social sciences”);

- The improvement of school food as proper meals have been shown to be linked to behaviour and achievement;

- The ending of the scandalous and racist neglect that has left working class white boys at the bottom of the table for academic achievement;

- The introduction of tax breaks for home-schooling parents or direct subsidies as their fair share of the education budget;

- The introduction of a compulsory Community Award Scheme for all school-leavers to teach them work ethics and social and community values. This would consist of work caring for the elderly or handicapped people, or environmental or heritage restoration projects, or military training. These courses would be character-building and instil discipline, social and community values and work ethics in all young people. Service in this scheme would entitle each individual to get ’something back’ from the society to which they have learnt to contribute, such as free university education, a properly supported apprenticeship, or business training and start-up capital for would-be entrepreneurs.


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The Economy:

In a nutshell, the BNP plan to rebuild Britain will consist of the following steps:

- The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries;

- The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports;

- The promotion of domestic competition;

- Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad;

- The reintroduction of the married man’s allowance;

- The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million;

- The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing;

- Halving council tax by centralising education costs and eliminating multiculturalism spending and unnecessary bureaucracy;

- The renationalisation of monopoly utilities and services, compensating only individual investors and pension funds. Privatising monopolies does not benefit either the consumer or the country. All that happens is the ‘family silver’ is sold off and monopoly utilities and services are asset-stripped, often by foreign competitors.

The economy should be managed for the benefit of the nation. The other parties are enslaved to laissez-faire globalism, which means that British workers must compete against those in China and India who work for as little as a pound a day.

Oriental countries such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore have managed their economies to combine private enterprise competition with the national good, and these are the models the BNP would emulate.

In a world in which irreplaceable natural resources are being depleted at an alarming rate we have a duty to our children and future generations to move towards economic growth which is socially, environmentally and economically sustainable in the long-term, rather than the present ‘boom and bust’ policies.

Personal tax is far too high. Billions of pounds can be slashed off government spending by inter alia:

- Ending the £9 billion foreign aid budget;

- Ending the £4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan;

- Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the “race relations” industry and a host of others);

- Ending the billions pumped into the EU swindle;

- Severely curtailing the tax-subsidised feeding frenzy at Westminster and other levels of government; and

- Cutting back all unnecessary layers of government which have been artificially created by years of politically correct Labour and Tory rule.


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Crime:

BNP crime and justice policy will:

- Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly;

- End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;

- Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;

- Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

At the same time, the BNP recognises that decades of social welfare dependence – encouraged by disastrous Labour and Tory policies – which is the primary cause of social delinquency, must be brought to an end.

Social reform is therefore also required. Workfare, not welfare, except to the neediest, should be the norm. Only in this way can the cycle of social deprivation, which is the primary cause of indigenous criminality, be broken.

To this end, the BNP will introduce a system of workfare for those in unemployment benefit for more than six months with compulsory work and training in return for decent payment.

The socialist building block housing concrete monstrosities which blight our urban areas and which are the breeding ground for delinquency and crime will be torn down and replaced with decent housing which encourages the stable family unit.

Non-indigenous crime – rapidly becoming a serious problem, as the knife and gun crime epidemic spreading throughout our major cities – will be dealt with in terms of BNP immigration and identity policy.

Overcrowding in prisons will be solved by the deportation of the tens of thousands of foreign criminals to serve their sentences abroad in their home countries. This act alone will free up to 70 percent of jail space in many prisons.

The BNP will also:

- Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;

- Use electronically tagged “chain gangs” to provide labour for projects such as coastal defences;

- Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;

- Put police back on the streets and remove their current political correctness shackles;

- Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property;

- Make joint custody of children the norm in divorce cases;

- Grant anonymity to those accused of crimes until they are convicted;

- Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public, not the government’s political aspirations.

The British National Party alone recognises that crime must be tackled on two levels: firstly by effective policing, and secondly by addressing the root social causes of crime, both indigenous and non-indigenous in origin.


And finally, the biggie;

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Immigration!!!!! cry.gif

The BNP’s policy is to:

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

Immigration is out of control. Britain’s population is now over 60 million and rising, solely due to immigration. Not only is Britain increasingly overcrowded, but the fact is that a country is the product of its people and if you change the people you inevitably change the nature of the country.

We want Britain to remain – or return to – the way it has traditionally been. We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and do not change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles.

The current open-door policy and unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration is leading to higher crime rates, demand for more housing (driving prices out of the reach of young people), severe extra strain on the environment, traffic congestion, longer hospital waiting lists, lower educational standards, higher income taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, loss of British identity, a breakdown in community spirit, more restrictive policing, higher council taxes, a shortage of council homes, higher levels of stress and unhappiness and a more atomised society.

India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society. Pakistan would not tolerate millions of Hindus or Christians entering that country and changing it from a Muslim society into something else. Japan would not do it; China would not do it – so why should Britain?

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

Each nation has the right to maintain its own identity. The right of India to remain Indian, the right of China to remain Chinese, the right of Pakistan to remain Pakistani and the right of Saudi Arabia to remain Saudi does not mean that any of these nations “hate” anybody else.

All it means is that they wish to preserve their identity and national existence.

This is all the British National Party seeks for Britain – the right to be British.

This is not an extreme demand – it is actually just perfectly normal and completely in line with the rights granted to every other nation and with international law.

All the other parties shy away from this issue, because they are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place.

Only the British National Party has the reasonable, sensible, fair and just immigration policy which will guarantee that Britain remains British.
neil
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 19:27) *
BNP are committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration

so basically getting rid of blacks that are not english?? i think i might join

Get out of my country
ian b
Thats the first time I have read the BNP policies. I don't think they have thought things through properly. But then again they know they won't get in so they can promise anything!
David
QUOTE (ian b @ Oct 25 2009, 19:25) *
Thats the first time I have read the BNP policies. I don't think they have thought things through properly. But then again they know they won't get in so they can promise anything!


They most likely haven't, but then again, can we say that the current lot have? wink.gif
The King Of Swing
- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.


Honestly I don't see anything wrong with those particular ideas.

If the major parties actually took a real stand over immigration the BNP would be pretty much finished.
HarmonicGenerator
QUOTE (children of bodom @ Oct 25 2009, 16:22) *
and take all are jobs.


Dey turk ur jerbs!
David
Uh Oh......

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BNP leader Nick Griffin could be invited back to make further appearances on Question Time, according to a senior BBC executive.

The BBC's deputy director general Mark Byford said that 'they (the BNP) should be invited' again and that their party political broadcasts will be screened by the BBC at the next election.

Mr Byford said it was justifiable because the BNP was 'not banned from the airwaves'.

He said: 'It's a minority party with a small share, so it's not week-in, week-out or even month-in, month-out, but if they are an elected party that can fight elections and they get that support then the BBC thinks they should be invited.'


Source: Daily Mail
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