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Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (Famous Mortimer @ Oct 20 2009, 7:40) *
The police aren't allowed to be BNP members because police officers are supposed to support the entire community, no matter ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion, and the BNP's explicitly stated policies run counter to that.


See I still don't think that makes sense. If the behaviour of an officer who is a BNP member goes against their agreed code of conduct then by all means sack him but I don't see how you can sack him for holding a belief if he doesn't allow it have a tangible effect on his behaviour in the workplace. It's similar to the concept that you can't legally discipline someone in the workplace for having a 'bad attitude'.
Chest Rockwell
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 1:28) *
QUOTE (patdfb @ Oct 19 2009, 23:59) *
Its like ooh theres a Lord....... Lawks a Lordy... So what a Lord is a member of a party that is considered to be fascist in nature? This means what? They are the epitome of all that is evil and should be dragged out and shot because you, the media say so? Piss off already. I just dont care. They could have 3 aliens all called Gilbert for all I give a stuff... People could then go OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLZL!!!!!111!!!!! and whatever in mock horror.


The list has been leaked ah gain *sighs* to porvoke a reaction. It has worked on me ahh gain because it has bored me to tears and I am now writing about it on the internet as if its the biggest news story since Al Gore decided lobal warming was going to kill us all ( or something smile.gif )


Trying to make sense of your post makes my head hurt.


That's because your brain has been a victim of lobal warming.
David
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Oct 20 2009, 9:16) *
That's because your brain has been a victim of lobal warming.


It certainly felt like it.

As far as the "leaked lists" go, he does have a point however. This is something like the 3rd time this has happened to the BNP, isn't it?

Surely they have to be held accountable somewhere along the line? Just saying that it was a "disgruntled ex-member" doesn't quite cut it when peoples personal details are at risk.

I suppose they can point at the amount of details the current lot of fools have let out there, but it's still something that has to be dealt with.

I'd also come down hard on any websites who think it's okay to print these details.

Keith Houchen
Griffin is on live on Sky News in 5 minutes, I think it's to do with the BNP using military imagery as their backdrop saying "Battle of Britain 2009", it has angered Generals and army top brass.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 11:53) *
Griffin is on live on Sky News in 5 minutes, I think it's to do with the BNP using military imagery as their backdrop saying "Battle of Britain 2009", it has angered Generals and army top brass.


I like how the sky news presenter cuts Griffin off when he doesn't get the soundbite that he's looking for.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 13:10) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 11:53) *
Griffin is on live on Sky News in 5 minutes, I think it's to do with the BNP using military imagery as their backdrop saying "Battle of Britain 2009", it has angered Generals and army top brass.


I like how the sky news presenter cuts Griffin off when he doesn't get the soundbite that he's looking for.

Shit, I must be watching a different interview.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:11) *
Shit, I must be watching a different interview.


You must be. I know it's terribly horrible to say it, but Griffin raised a few decent points there.

Another good piece for the BNP.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 13:13) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:11) *
Shit, I must be watching a different interview.


You must be.

Guess so as the presenter I saw let Griffin talk at length and waited until he was finished talking before asking another question.

I liked his purely anecdotal reasoning that the squaddies he talked to all vote BNP therefore the BNP are more in touch with the forces than anyone else. I liked the way he said how "Our Boys" are left to rot on the streets or in jail by the government and then later on referred to prisioners as "Criminal vermin".

Yeah, he really looked good there.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:20) *
I liked the way he said how "Our Boys" are left to rot on the streets or in jail by the government and then later on referred to prisioners as "Criminal vermin".


Where's the mistake in that?

A lot soldiers certainly are getting shafted after their stint, and they are working over there in a meaningless war with substandard equipment.

I don't see any problem in referring to convicted criminals as "criminal vermin" either.

Like i've said before, he knows how to work a crowd, but to say that everything he says is complete nonsense isn't true.

It's never that black & white Keith.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 13:32) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:20) *
I liked the way he said how "Our Boys" are left to rot on the streets or in jail by the government and then later on referred to prisioners as "Criminal vermin".


Where's the mistake in that?

He mentioned how a lot of ex servicemen are in prison then referred to prisoners as vermin, thus referring to a lot of ex servicemen as vermin.
Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 12:32) *
It's never that black & white Keith.


Surely thats the one thing it most definitely is?
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:37) *
He mentioned how a lot of ex servicemen are in prison then referred to prisoners as vermin, thus referring to a lot of ex servicemen as vermin.


A lot of ex servicemen are vermin.

I'm certainly looking forward to Thursday nights show, it looks as though it'll be an excellent watch.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 15:10) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 12:37) *
He mentioned how a lot of ex servicemen are in prison then referred to prisoners as vermin, thus referring to a lot of ex servicemen as vermin.


A lot of ex servicemen are vermin.

That's not the point though, is it? You asked where the mistake was and I pointed it out. Those words came from the man who claims to be in touch with the forces more than any other political party and how squaddies vote for him and his party. Do you see what I'm getting at or have you moved the goalposts again?
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 14:56) *
That's not the point though, is it? You asked where the mistake was and I pointed it out. Those words came from the man who claims to be in touch with the forces more than any other political party and how squaddies vote for him and his party. Do you see what I'm getting at or have you moved the goalposts again?


I see what you're getting at, but he's a politician at the end of the day, and I see what he was trying to say.

I don't expect him to be any more honest or honourable than the current lot we have in power, so hearing him stretch the truth or say something that doesn't make sense isn't a huge surprise.

Keith Houchen
In other words, he made a mistake?
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 20 2009, 15:03) *
In other words, he made a mistake?


Maybe.

Or perhaps he was talking shit, like every other politician does.

The King Of Swing
FFS sake now the news is going on about the BNP using a spitfire pic which is old news by the way.

As for the vermin remark well criminal vermin is criminal vermin ex-service or not so he wasn't calling the average ex-servicman virmin just the criminal scum that was at one time a part of the armed forces.

BionicRedneck
I think the problem people probably have with the BNP using pictures of the spitfire and of Churchill has something to do with comments made in the past, by leading BNP members, about how Churchill was 'a fucking cunt' and the RAF were 'mass murderers' in a 'pointless war against other white people'.

David
QUOTE (BionicRedneck @ Oct 20 2009, 16:59) *
I think the problem people probably have with the BNP using pictures of the spitfire and of Churchill has something to do with comments made in the past, by leading BNP members, about how Churchill was 'a fucking cunt' and the RAF were 'mass murderers' in a 'pointless war against other white people'.


It could very well be.

They won't be the first political party to exploit a group of people for their own ends whilst really thinking they are cunts though, would they?

I daresay they won't be the last either.
The King Of Swing
True that.

I'm more annoyed that the Spitfire pic fiasco is actually old news (may be over a year old) yet now it's being reported like it's something new.

They will be digging up the old Big Nick being gay rumors next.
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freaky
QUOTE (The King Of Swing @ Oct 20 2009, 18:03) *
They will be digging up the old Big Nick being gay rumors next.

They're not rumours. I have the poo on my willy to prove it.
The King Of Swing
http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/gener...p;article=index

QUOTE
BNP Compares Generals With Nazi War Criminals

Nick Griffin has compared the army generals who attacked the BNP for "hijacking" the military to Nazi war criminals.

"Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremburg (sic) Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged - and hanged - together," he said on the Party's website.

Earlier Mr Griffin rejected accusations from General Sir Mike Jackson and General Sir Richard Dannatt, among others, that political extremists had no right to share the Armed Forces' proud reputation.

"The Nuremburg (sic) War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany," Mr Griffin added.

"Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel, were also charged with waging aggressive war.

"Sir Richard and Sir Ken (sic) fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iran (sic) and Afghanistan."

Mr Griffin told Sky News the generals' intervention had been "questionable" and "in bad taste".

He said the BNP shared the values of the "old" British military, not necessarily the new "PC British defence establishment".

He added: "Almost everyone at the coalface, out there in Afghanistan especially, the rank-and-file, vote British National Party and support the BNP.

"The generals might not, but of course some of these generals are in the pockets of the Conservative party."

The generals' letter - seen by Sky News - says far-right groups were "fundamentally at odds" with the values of the British military.

The move follows the BNP tactic of using images of Winston Churchill and wartime insignia during recent European election campaigns.

The letter, seen by Sky News, reads: "We call on all those who seek to hijack the good name of Britain's military for their own advantage to cease and desist.

"The values of these extremists - many of whom are essentially racist - are fundamentally at odds with the values of the modern British military, such as tolerance and fairness."

General Jackson specifically attacked the BNP for using the Army's image.

He told The Times: "The BNP is claiming that it has a better relationship with the Armed Forces than other political parties.

"How dare they use the image of the Army, in particular, to promote their policies. These people are beyond the pale."

The letter forms part of a campaign, titled Stolen Valour, by leading military figures and Nothing British, an organisation that monitors the BNP.

It is supported by a YouTube video featuring SAS hero Andy McNab and titled Andy McNab against the BNP and a similar offering by Simon Weston, the Falklands veteran.

James Bethell, who set up Nothing British, told Sky News Online that he was hoping to appeal to the British sense of "fairness and decency" to attack the BNP.

He is urging veterans to sign a petition against the BNP at the organisation's website.

The move by the generals comes after the BBC rejected a call from Cabinet minister Peter Hain to drop BNP leader Nick Griffin from the panel on BBC1's Question Time this Thursday.


Regardless of my views on the BNP politics hasn't been this interesting in ages.

And I actually think that people whould be put on trial for the whole Iraq (I'm guessing Iran was a typo in the report) lie.
David
QUOTE
"The Nuremburg (sic) War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany," Mr Griffin added.

"Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel, were also charged with waging aggressive war.

"Sir Richard and Sir Ken (sic) fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iran (sic) and Afghanistan."


The Nazis were invading countries for their own ends though, not fighting a heroic war on terror like us.

Silly Nicholas.
The King Of Swing
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 18:57) *
The Nazis were invading countries for their own ends though, not fighting a heroic war on terror like us.

Silly Nicholas.


Major Lolocaust (denial)
Ronnie
QUOTE (The King Of Swing @ Oct 20 2009, 18:53) *
(I'm guessing Iran was a typo in the report)

It was; this was indicated in the report:
QUOTE
"Sir Richard and Sir Ken (sic) fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iran (sic) and Afghanistan."
BionicRedneck
So not only does Griffin think that we went to war with Iran, he also misspelled Nuremberg more than once and mixed up Sir Mike Jackson with Sir Ken Jackson?


The King Of Swing
QUOTE (BionicRedneck @ Oct 20 2009, 20:32) *
So not only does Griffin think that we went to war with Iran, he also misspelled Nuremberg more than once and mixed up Sir Mike Jackson with Sir Ken Jackson?


He could be our very own G.W. Bush.
David
QUOTE (BionicRedneck @ Oct 20 2009, 19:32) *
So not only does Griffin think that we went to war with Iran, he also misspelled Nuremberg more than once and mixed up Sir Mike Jackson with Sir Ken Jackson?


It depends really. If you look at the "official" BNP version of the article it looks like this;

QUOTE
Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremberg Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged — and hanged — together.

This was the reaction of Nick Griffin MEP to the announcement that Tory lackeys Sir Richard Dannett and Sir Mike Jackson had broken all military protocol with their statement attacking the BNP.

Mr Griffin also pointed out that it was under Sir Richard’s tenure as Chief of the General Staff that the British Army put a limit on the number of serving foreign troops so as to preserve the “British essence” of that force.

“There is a prima facie case for charging Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, William Hague and David Cameron with waging aggressive war against Iraq,” Mr Griffin said.

“The Nuremberg War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany.

“Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel, were also charged with waging aggressive war.

“Sir Richard and Sir Mike fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,” Mr Griffin said.

“These two gentlemen are Tories who have seen the traditional Conservative vote in the army, from private level up to senior officers, dissolve away and turn into BNP votes,” he said.

“These same generals said nothing when the news broke that Tory and Labour politicians were spending millions on personal expenses courtesy of the taxpayer, despite the army being underfunded.

“Sir Richard said nothing when Mr Cameron charged the taxpayer £680 to clear wisteria from his house’s chimney. Sir Richard said nothing when Jack Straw charged the taxpayer £8000 for a new plasma screen TV.

“Sir Richard said nothing about the fact that low-paid British soldiers have to buy their own kit because the Government has deliberately underfunded the army, despite sending our soldiers to foreign conflicts which have nothing to do with us.

“Yet now Sir Richard sees fit to wade into the public arena with a statement about the BNP. This exposes his typical disgusting Tory hypocrisy and his utter disregard for the ordinary British soldier,” Mr Griffin said.

“It is ironic that in September 2008, the British Army under Sir Richard’s watch, issued instructions to limit the number of foreign recruits,” Mr Griffin continued.

“At the time, official army documents said that the nation must maintain ‘Armed Forces which are predominantly British and whose members reflect and share the culture and values of British society’.

“This is BNP policy, as endorsed by Sir Richard when Chief of Staff. Yet now, because he has been given a job with the Tory party, these same policies are now reprehensible in his eyes.

“This hysterical attack on the BNP is nothing but a dying Tory toady gasp as the ordinary brave and loyal soldiers turn their backs on that party,” Mr Griffin said.

* Mr Griffin also dismissed as “sour grapes” complaints about the use of the Spitfire and quotes from Winston Churchill during BNP campaigns.

“The Spitfire represents the British fighting spirit against Continental totalitarianism. Winston Churchill’s comments on Islam, the European Union and unrestricted Third World immigration are the same as BNP policy, and he would have been expelled from today’s Tories for those views,” Mr Griffin said.

* Mr Griffin also dismissed as “disgusting” the launch of a Poppy Day appeal by Gordon Brown today.

“The Poppy Day appeal is supposed to go to help maimed and injured ex-servicemen, Mr Griffin said. “Mr Brown is the one who has sent our soldiers to war in unfit-for-service vehicles. He is the primary cause of so many injured soldiers in the first place. It is outrageous.”

Mr Griffin said he continued to wear a Poppy Day badge because he was asked to do so by injured soldiers, black and white, at the Birmingham Selly Oak military hospital. He was requested to do so to highlight the fact that these soldiers are charged money to watch television despite being bed-ridden while recuperating from serious wounds.

“I will not stop wearing my poppy badge until this disgrace is rectified,” Mr Griffin said. “This is something else ignored by Tory General Sir Richard who is totally out of touch with the rest of the army.”

* Both Sir Richard and Sir Mike received BNP information packs during the run-up to the June elections.


Just for fun though, i'll go with the original article.

I'd like to think that Griffin really is that stupid. I'll bet he thinks we actually did go to war with Iran.

I'll even blame him for spelling Nuremberg wrong, despite the fact that he likely didn't even write the article.

*chortle*
Keith Houchen
The original article did feature on their website, Sky News were talking (and laughing) about it then said that the website had been updated with the corrections.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 9:42) *
The original article did feature on their website, Sky News were talking (and laughing) about it then said that the website had been updated with the corrections.


Even so, it's more laughable for the likes of Sky News to even suggest that Griffin doesn't know how to spell Nuremberg etc, especially when it's obvious that a web guy is responsible for putting stuff up.

It's like spotting some mistakes on the Labour website and laughing at Gordon Brown.

Their attacks are getting desperate. And pathetic.

The party are a fucking non-entity in the grand scheme of things, and they are currently getting media coverage that rivals any of the three main parties.

We know they are a bunch of twats. We don't need the media constantly telling us.

The condescending fucks.
Loki
To paraphrase Will Bill in Deadwood, Griffin's eye reminds me of a cunt, and when he talks all I see is his cunt mouth flapping.

He's fast becoming a national figure of fun, and really laughter is the best way to defuse and dismiss any real danger that he and his party represent.
David
QUOTE (Loki @ Oct 21 2009, 10:24) *
He's fast becoming a national figure of fun, and really laughter is the best way to defuse and dismiss any real danger that he and his party represent.


You think so?

In the past week or so i've spoken to five guys I used to work with who think he's got a point, and that the media are "picking on him".

Does no one else see the absolute hilarity in the idea that the media have been banging on all week about how Griffin and his party shouldn't get a platform by way of Question Time, yet see fit to attribute countless editorials and page space to him?

The BNP had four fucking screens on the Sky News interactive system yesterday.
Loki
Well, you and I move in different circles _harry, as everyone I know is looking forward to Question Time in the way Romans looked forward to seeing Christians fed to the lions. It's a bloodsport spectacle, or at least I sincerely hope it will be.

Joe_the_Lion
Harry has a point. The BNP's central plank has always been this notion that they speak up for the rights of your average white man while the rest of the politicians are more concerned with these minority fella's, now they can claim that not only are they the only ones speaking up for 'the man in the street' but that the rest of the policital/media machine is trying to stop them doing it. The irony is that the more The Sun goes after Griffin and calls him a snake the more likely it is that their inbred readership will think he's being bullied and think about supporting him.
David
QUOTE (Loki @ Oct 21 2009, 10:44) *
Well, you and I move in different circles _harry, as everyone I know is looking forward to Question Time in the way Romans looked forward to seeing Christians fed to the lions.


Unfortunately, the circles you move in are probably all voters already, with a keen grasp on whats actually going on.

The guys I spoke to (who aren't friends by the way, just labourers who used to work on the same site as me) have never shown any interest in politics, yet they are getting interested in the BNP.

Not a good sign in my opinion.

My main point though, why has there been a huge uproar over the BNP getting airtime on Question Time, when i've seen Griffin being interviewed throughout the week on Sky News?

The fact still stands that this fringe party has been getting more media time than any of the three main parties have this week.

Griffin must be loving it.
Chest Rockwell
I can't help feeling that laughter might not the best medicine and that pandering to people looking to have a smug laugh at the BNP is just gonna further piss off already disenfranchised potential voters that might decide to do something about, like the guys you're talking about Harry.
David
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Oct 21 2009, 11:02) *
I can't help feeling that laughter might not the best medicine and that pandering to people looking to have a smug laugh at the BNP is just gonna further piss off already disenfranchised potential voters that might decide to do something about, like the guys you're talking about Harry.


The guys i'm talking about have never watched Question Time. Ever.

They are all making a point of watching on Thursday though, to see what Griffins going to say to "those cunts in suits" that run the country.

They are under the impression that the people who are trying to stop the BNP are the people who have money, whilst Griffin is trying to help the average Joe.

If you look at the media coverage over the past few days, you can see why they think that.

If the media are going to wheel people out to condemn the BNP, they need to invite people who are relevant to the average British person.

Footballers, musicians, actors and the like. Where the fuck is the likes of Danny Dyer, Jason Statham, Steven Gerrard, Beckham, John Terry?

Bringing out army generals and upper class faceless suit wearers isn't doing anyone any good.

Also, why not bring out white Brits to do it? Maybe thats a fucking idea, eh?
Joe_the_Lion
You had me right up until Danny Dyer............................He's never the answer, unless the question is "You have five apples in your left hand, you give your friend two and then move one over and hold it in your right hand - how much fun would it be to kill Danny Dyer?"
David
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 21 2009, 11:14) *
You had me right up until Danny Dyer............................He's never the answer, unless the question is "You have five apples in your left hand, you give your friend two and then move one over and hold it in your right hand - how much fun would it be to kill Danny Dyer?"


Dyer is one of those total cunts that neds & wannabe gangsters think is cool though.

Look at it this way, him saying the BNP are twats will have more impact that some private school army general.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 11:20) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 9:42) *
The original article did feature on their website, Sky News were talking (and laughing) about it then said that the website had been updated with the corrections.


Even so, it's more laughable for the likes of Sky News to even suggest that Griffin doesn't know how to spell Nuremberg etc

That isn't what caused the mirth, it was getting the names wrong.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 11:42) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 11:20) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 9:42) *
The original article did feature on their website, Sky News were talking (and laughing) about it then said that the website had been updated with the corrections.


Even so, it's more laughable for the likes of Sky News to even suggest that Griffin doesn't know how to spell Nuremberg etc

That isn't what caused the mirth, it was getting the names wrong.


The fact that the presenter was asking him questions, and Griffin was easily answering them isn't really too funny.

Instead of coming across like idiots "trying to catch out" a man who's been putting up with this type of questioning for the past 20 odd years they should maybe try treating him like any other politician, and start asking him some real questions.

Let's see if he can answer those.

As far as the old race questions go, he's got every base covered, and always will have.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:38) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 11:42) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 11:20) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 9:42) *
The original article did feature on their website, Sky News were talking (and laughing) about it then said that the website had been updated with the corrections.


Even so, it's more laughable for the likes of Sky News to even suggest that Griffin doesn't know how to spell Nuremberg etc

That isn't what caused the mirth, it was getting the names wrong.


The fact that the presenter was asking him questions, and Griffin was easily answering them isn't really too funny.

Instead of coming across like idiots "trying to catch out" a man who's been putting up with this type of questioning for the past 20 odd years they should maybe try treating him like any other politician, and start asking him some real questions.

Let's see if he can answer those.

As far as the old race questions go, he's got every base covered, and always will have.

Harry, what has any of that got to do with what I mentioned? I'm not on about the interview with Griffin (one that looks to be different to the one you saw), I'm on about a piece afterwards about the statement that was on the website that one of the guests smirked at when wondering who "Sir Ken" was. It looks like I've misled you into thinking that they all sat round pointing and laughing at a photo of Jolly St Nick in a clown suit, that wasn't the case.

Amazingly for Sky, they seemed very balanced but it's clear that you watched the interview through your red, white and blue tinted glasses. Did you see the bit where one of the guys mentioned that black war hero and said if Griffin had his way the guy wouldn't even be allowed to join the army? The presenter quickly shot him down saying that Griffin denied that very point some 10 minutes ago.

QUOTE
We know they are a bunch of twats. We don't need the media constantly telling us.

And yet you voted for those bunch of twats.
David
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 13:03) *
And yet you voted for those bunch of twats.


Indeed I did.

The EU is far more relevant to the future of the UK than some tinpot fucking fringe party like the BNP.

My opinion is that the media are shooting themselves in the foot by giving them as much coverage as they have.

Griffin is going to be on television for one fucking hour tomorrow night. One hour.

Unless they decide to turn it into the BNP show he'll have around 17 minutes personal talking time.

More than half of the country wouldn't even have known he was on if it weren't for the numpties at Sky News and the like, interviewing him, giving him four fucking screens on their interactive screen and mentioning their names every 20 minutes.

Any gains the BNP make from this weeks events lie squarely at the feet of the media. Plain & simple.


Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:45) *
Any gains the BNP make from this weeks events lie squarely at the feet of the media. Plain & simple.


And this weeks events are only really occuring because dopes like you voted for them.
David
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 21 2009, 13:49) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:45) *
Any gains the BNP make from this weeks events lie squarely at the feet of the media. Plain & simple.


And this weeks events are only really occuring because dopes like you voted for them.


How many Scottish councillors do the BNP have again Joe?
Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:50) *
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 21 2009, 13:49) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:45) *
Any gains the BNP make from this weeks events lie squarely at the feet of the media. Plain & simple.


And this weeks events are only really occuring because dopes like you voted for them.


How many Scottish councillors do the BNP have again Joe?


So because they didn't win your particular seat you are absolved of any responsibility for your insane decision to vote for a bunch of racist scumbags? Given that every single minority party in the UK is firmly on the PR bandwagon that logic is doubly wrong because every vote smaller parties receive at every level of government is acknowledged and counted as part of the justification for changing the first past the post sytem used in the General Election..
Carbomb
Personally, I'm in favour of PR, and the possibility of the BNP getting in is no deterrent to me - as I've said before, these people are easily demolished if others get off their arses and actually make them look like the idiots they are.

This Prime Ministerial debate coming up is exactly what I'd like to see more of. Having taken on board bobbins' and others' assertions that QT doesn't really allow for proper debate, I want to see the British media actually provide some. Given the current obsession with marketing and spin the mainstream British consciousness seems to have these days, it should be no challenge to present such things in a light that would drum up fervent enough interest.
David
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 21 2009, 14:21) *
This Prime Ministerial debate coming up is exactly what I'd like to see more of.


This is something i'll definately be interested in.

QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 21 2009, 14:02) *
So because they didn't win your particular seat you are absolved of any responsibility for your insane decision to vote for a bunch of racist scumbags? Given that every single minority party in the UK is firmly on the PR bandwagon that logic is doubly wrong because every vote smaller parties receive at every level of government is acknowledged and counted as part of the justification for changing the first past the post sytem used in the General Election..


I don't wish to be "absolved" of anything. I stated my reasons for voting for them, plain & simple.

You, or anyone who doesn't like it can go fuck themselves to be honest.
JNLister
Chest Rockwell
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 21 2009, 13:45) *
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Oct 21 2009, 13:03) *
And yet you voted for those bunch of twats.


Indeed I did.

The EU is far more relevant to the future of the UK than some tinpot fucking fringe party like the BNP.

My opinion is that the media are shooting themselves in the foot by giving them as much coverage as they have.

Griffin is going to be on television for one fucking hour tomorrow night. One hour.

Unless they decide to turn it into the BNP show he'll have around 17 minutes personal talking time.

More than half of the country wouldn't even have known he was on if it weren't for the numpties at Sky News and the like, interviewing him, giving him four fucking screens on their interactive screen and mentioning their names every 20 minutes.

Any gains the BNP make from this weeks events lie squarely at the feet of the media. Plain & simple.


Isn't this kind of coverage exactly what you wanted though, harry? When you voted for the BNP in Europe you said that you wanted to be part of sending a message to shake up the main parties. This is how it works.. they win a European seat, they get media coverage and the main parties get up in arms. You don't think Labour or the Tories would be at all shook if the BNP didn't get the coverage do you?

This is completely what you wanted, and it couldn't happen any other way. Accept responsibility.
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