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That black hearted, fat-kidneyed hedge-pig Griffin wilt surely shewe himself a fool this eve. Verily, a pig bladder upon a stick would not a more mirthful sight make than will this mountain of mad flesh. I say to him, when a wise man gives thee better counsel, give me mine again: I would have none but knaves follow it, since a fool gives it.
I'm voting Loki in 2010.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 15 2009, 15:51) 
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Oct 15 2009, 15:48)
The idea that 'being tradition' is enough to make something worthwhile is pretty retarded.
Not all traditions obviously, but some are certainly worth maintaining.
I'm not a fan of things being discarded simply in the name of "progress".
Could I have an example or two of what harmless traditions are being discarded in the name of progress, please?
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Oct 15 2009, 16:25)
Could I have an example or two of what harmless traditions are being discarded in the name of progress, please?
No.
I've been down this kind of road before on here, and i'm not interested in getting into a huge, overblown debate.
You know that regardless of what I post, you won't agree.
All of that would result in neither opinions changing one iota, so there's no point.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 15 2009, 16:31)
QUOTE (Chest Rockwell @ Oct 15 2009, 16:25)
Could I have an example or two of what harmless traditions are being discarded in the name of progress, please?
No.
I've been down this kind of road before on here, and i'm not interested in getting into a huge, overblown debate.
You know that regardless of what I post, you won't agree.
All of that would result in neither opinions changing one iota, so there's no point.
It's not that he won't agree. If they really are just harmless traditions he won't give too much of a fuck either way. It was a fair question.
I can see why you might think that.. I've never got involved in any of the massive debates you've had on here previously. I'm interested in knowing what traditions are being disposed of out of genuine interest because I can't think of any, not to pick a fight. I've not been combative at all, so I don't know why you think you know how I'll react.
I have neither the time nor inclination for an argument the length of which you've had on here previously with others but yeah - I can't speak for anyone else who might fancy throwing their quid's worth in.
I have neither the time nor inclination for an argument the length of which you've had on here previously with others but yeah - I can't speak for anyone else who might fancy throwing their quid's worth in.
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 15 2009, 16:32)
It's not that he won't agree. If they really are just harmless traditions he won't give too much of a fuck either way. It was a fair question.
Fair enough, i'll throw the decline in the teaching of traditional Scottish Gaelic out there as one "tradition" that's being discarded in the name of progress.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 15 2009, 16:39)
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 15 2009, 16:32)
It's not that he won't agree. If they really are just harmless traditions he won't give too much of a fuck either way. It was a fair question.
Fair enough, i'll throw the decline in the teaching of traditional Scottish Gaelic out there as one "tradition" that's being discarded in the name of progress.
Well done. And you've got a good point. apparantly Gaelic has passed the tipping point in terms of number of speakers vs total popualtion so nothing can be done to stop it vanishing completely.
QUOTE (Loki @ Oct 15 2009, 17:22)
That black hearted, fat-kidneyed hedge-pig Griffin wilt surely shewe himself a fool this eve. Verily, a pig bladder upon a stick would not a more mirthful sight make than will this mountain of mad flesh. I say to him, when a wise man gives thee better counsel, give me mine again: I would have none but knaves follow it, since a fool gives it.
I think it's next week, rather than this eve. Although I'm sure he shewes himself a fool every eve. I love this gimmick, could only have been bettered by setting up a separate account for it.
I can't wait to join the BNP.
QUOTE (freaky @ Oct 15 2009, 17:44)
I can't wait to join the BNP.
You should join.
You'll be entitled to a free Parker pen
QUOTE (bobbins @ Oct 15 2009, 18:37)
QUOTE (Loki @ Oct 15 2009, 17:22)
That black hearted, fat-kidneyed hedge-pig Griffin wilt surely shewe himself a fool this eve. Verily, a pig bladder upon a stick would not a more mirthful sight make than will this mountain of mad flesh. I say to him, when a wise man gives thee better counsel, give me mine again: I would have none but knaves follow it, since a fool gives it.
I think it's next week, rather than this eve. Although I'm sure he shewes himself a fool every eve. I love this gimmick, could only have been bettered by setting up a separate account for it.
Is Loki Dr Samuel Johnson from Twitter?
Did anyone see tonights episode of Question Time? The BNP chit-chat has started already it would seem.
I did get a chuckle from the dude in the t-shirt with the "black student committee" logo talking about how the BNP shouldn't be given a platform on the BBC for fear of turning voters towards them.
I did get a chuckle from the dude in the t-shirt with the "black student committee" logo talking about how the BNP shouldn't be given a platform on the BBC for fear of turning voters towards them.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 16 2009, 3:09)
Did anyone see tonights episode of Question Time? The BNP chit-chat has started already it would seem.
I did get a chuckle from the dude in the t-shirt with the "black student committee" logo talking about how the BNP shouldn't be given a platform on the BBC for fear of turning voters towards them.
I did get a chuckle from the dude in the t-shirt with the "black student committee" logo talking about how the BNP shouldn't be given a platform on the BBC for fear of turning voters towards them.
Watched it and a laugh me tits of as Alan Johnson was torn a new a hole by Farage and Damian Green repeatedly which made I laugh.
Not only were there boos for Nick Griffin, but also Jacqui Smith which was fun
Yeah, the UKIP representative was certainly putting forth some good points, and managed to make Johnson look a tad silly at times.
As much as I hate UKIP, Farage makes for good TV. In other news, Geert Wilders is in town!
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GEERT WILDERS
Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
Lives under police protection because of death threats
Wants the Koran and the Muslim garment, the burka, to be banned
Controversial right-wing Dutch MP Geert Wilders has arrived in the UK after the home secretary said he would not try to block his entry.
Mr Wilders was turned away from the UK in February on the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat to public security.
The Freedom Party leader is due to hold a press conference in London after that ban was overturned by a tribunal.
The Home Office said it was not "minded" to bar his entry.
A spokesman for Home Secretary Alan Johnson said on Thursday: "Any European visitor's right to enter the UK will be considered on its merits by an immigration officer.
"On this occasion the home secretary is not minded to recommend that Wilders is denied admission to the UK.
"Clearly Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during a visit will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit him."
Mr Wilders, who faces trial in his own country for inciting hatred, arrived at Heathrow airport on Friday morning.
He is due to visit the House of Lords later on the invitation of UK Independence Party peer Lord Pearson.
He had tried to visit in February to show his controversial film Fitna, which links the Koran to terrorism, but he was turned back by immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his views could stir up "inter-faith violence".
However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled there was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious threat to the "fundamental interest" of society.
The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would still have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any trouble the police would have been able to deal with it.
GEERT WILDERS
Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
Lives under police protection because of death threats
Wants the Koran and the Muslim garment, the burka, to be banned
"It was more important to allow free speech than to take restrictive action speculatively," they said.
Mr Wilders has already said he does not plan to show his film during this visit, but intends to return again at a later date for a screening.
The Home Office said on Thursday that Mr Wilders was previously stopped from entering the UK under EU immigration regulations on the grounds of public policy and security.
Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of individuals - including Islamic extremists and white supremacists - who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for "unacceptable behaviour".
The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005, following the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals who would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".
Earlier this week, Mr Wilders told BBC Radio 5 Live his intention had only ever been "to have a debate about freedom of speech and the threat of Islamisation of our Western societies".
"I believe the decision of the UK government was political; it was not based on law," he said.
"It's not my intention to have anything at all to do with violence."
The Home Office said a final decision would be made on whether to appeal against the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal's decision after its written judgement was handed down next week.
Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
Lives under police protection because of death threats
Wants the Koran and the Muslim garment, the burka, to be banned
Controversial right-wing Dutch MP Geert Wilders has arrived in the UK after the home secretary said he would not try to block his entry.
Mr Wilders was turned away from the UK in February on the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat to public security.
The Freedom Party leader is due to hold a press conference in London after that ban was overturned by a tribunal.
The Home Office said it was not "minded" to bar his entry.
A spokesman for Home Secretary Alan Johnson said on Thursday: "Any European visitor's right to enter the UK will be considered on its merits by an immigration officer.
"On this occasion the home secretary is not minded to recommend that Wilders is denied admission to the UK.
"Clearly Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during a visit will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit him."
Mr Wilders, who faces trial in his own country for inciting hatred, arrived at Heathrow airport on Friday morning.
He is due to visit the House of Lords later on the invitation of UK Independence Party peer Lord Pearson.
He had tried to visit in February to show his controversial film Fitna, which links the Koran to terrorism, but he was turned back by immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his views could stir up "inter-faith violence".
However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled there was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious threat to the "fundamental interest" of society.
The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would still have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any trouble the police would have been able to deal with it.
GEERT WILDERS
Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
Lives under police protection because of death threats
Wants the Koran and the Muslim garment, the burka, to be banned
"It was more important to allow free speech than to take restrictive action speculatively," they said.
Mr Wilders has already said he does not plan to show his film during this visit, but intends to return again at a later date for a screening.
The Home Office said on Thursday that Mr Wilders was previously stopped from entering the UK under EU immigration regulations on the grounds of public policy and security.
Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of individuals - including Islamic extremists and white supremacists - who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for "unacceptable behaviour".
The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005, following the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals who would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".
Earlier this week, Mr Wilders told BBC Radio 5 Live his intention had only ever been "to have a debate about freedom of speech and the threat of Islamisation of our Western societies".
"I believe the decision of the UK government was political; it was not based on law," he said.
"It's not my intention to have anything at all to do with violence."
The Home Office said a final decision would be made on whether to appeal against the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal's decision after its written judgement was handed down next week.
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Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press.
Good arrows on that.
Also, the BNP site have been counting down to the Question Time show with articles such as this;
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Question: What does the BNP have to do to be invited onto the BBC’s Question Time? Answer: Win one million votes and two seats in the European Parliament. Question: What does Bonnie Greer have to do to get onto Question Time? Answer: Fabricate black history and be paid for it.
This incongruous state of affairs has revealed itself as final preparations are made for the first appearance of British National Party MEP Nick Griffin on the BBC’s Question Time show of 22 October.
Although it is traditional to have a ‘joker in the pack’ non-politician appear on Question Time along with other serious panellists, the choice of Ms Greer is an obvious attempt to stir up trouble, observers say.
American born Ms Greer, who claims to be a “refugee” who fled the Ronald Reagan presidency, is most famous for the comical ‘black history’ shows she has produced.
The most prominent of these was a radio show called “In Search of the Black Madonna” first broadcast in 2000.
According to the publicity material which accompanied that show, Ms Greer went “in search of the much-venerated Black Madonna, which has been a symbol of power and majesty for European Catholics since medieval times, and examines why, for centuries now, thousands of Europeans have worshipped before this black icon.”
According to Ms Greer, these “black Madonnas” are “considered to be more powerful than the traditional (white) Madonna, and is particularly noted for her miraculous powers, which range from restoring lost memories to resuscitating dead babies.”
Ms Greer went on to make a BBC Two show on this topic and on Africans in European art, called “Reflecting Skin”, broadcast in 2004. According to the publicity material for this show, Ms Greer went in “search of the black image as portrayed by white European artists in this provocative and revealing film.”
Despite Ms Greer’s best efforts at manufacturing this ‘black Madonna’ aspect to Catholicism, the reality is that none of the “black Madonnas” of medieval Europe even remotely resemble, in facial features, black people.
Even the colouring of the statues has no direct racial meaning. The dark colouration is more often than not the result of artists using ebony to make the carving.
Ebony is a general name for very dense black wood, yielded by several species in the genus Diospyros. Other heavy, black (or dark coloured) woods are sometimes also called ebony.
Statues have long been carved from ebony simply because of the hardness of the wood and its resultant longevity — not for any Afrocentrist daydream reasons such as those invented by Ms Greer.
Despite Ms Greer’s invented nonsense, the blabbering liberal classes take all this waffle seriously — so that she has been wheeled out, in the words of The Times newspaper, to “face” Mr Griffin.
* Meanwhile, the Tories have nominated Sayeeda Hussain Warsi, born of Pakistani parents in Yorkshire, to be their representative on the show. Ms Warsi, who unlike Mr Griffin, has never managed to be elected to anything, is another product of Tory affirmative action. Promoted to the Tory shadow cabinet for the Orwellian-named “ministry of social cohesion,” Ms Warsi had to be nominated to the House of Lords by David Cameron to even qualify.
* The extremist Communists who oppose freedom of speech and democracy in Britain have in the interim upped their threats to blockade the BBC’s studios in an attempt to prevent the programme from being broadcast.
Despite public threats of violence and intimidation, the authorities have refused to act.
This incongruous state of affairs has revealed itself as final preparations are made for the first appearance of British National Party MEP Nick Griffin on the BBC’s Question Time show of 22 October.
Although it is traditional to have a ‘joker in the pack’ non-politician appear on Question Time along with other serious panellists, the choice of Ms Greer is an obvious attempt to stir up trouble, observers say.
American born Ms Greer, who claims to be a “refugee” who fled the Ronald Reagan presidency, is most famous for the comical ‘black history’ shows she has produced.
The most prominent of these was a radio show called “In Search of the Black Madonna” first broadcast in 2000.
According to the publicity material which accompanied that show, Ms Greer went “in search of the much-venerated Black Madonna, which has been a symbol of power and majesty for European Catholics since medieval times, and examines why, for centuries now, thousands of Europeans have worshipped before this black icon.”
According to Ms Greer, these “black Madonnas” are “considered to be more powerful than the traditional (white) Madonna, and is particularly noted for her miraculous powers, which range from restoring lost memories to resuscitating dead babies.”
Ms Greer went on to make a BBC Two show on this topic and on Africans in European art, called “Reflecting Skin”, broadcast in 2004. According to the publicity material for this show, Ms Greer went in “search of the black image as portrayed by white European artists in this provocative and revealing film.”
Despite Ms Greer’s best efforts at manufacturing this ‘black Madonna’ aspect to Catholicism, the reality is that none of the “black Madonnas” of medieval Europe even remotely resemble, in facial features, black people.
Even the colouring of the statues has no direct racial meaning. The dark colouration is more often than not the result of artists using ebony to make the carving.
Ebony is a general name for very dense black wood, yielded by several species in the genus Diospyros. Other heavy, black (or dark coloured) woods are sometimes also called ebony.
Statues have long been carved from ebony simply because of the hardness of the wood and its resultant longevity — not for any Afrocentrist daydream reasons such as those invented by Ms Greer.
Despite Ms Greer’s invented nonsense, the blabbering liberal classes take all this waffle seriously — so that she has been wheeled out, in the words of The Times newspaper, to “face” Mr Griffin.
* Meanwhile, the Tories have nominated Sayeeda Hussain Warsi, born of Pakistani parents in Yorkshire, to be their representative on the show. Ms Warsi, who unlike Mr Griffin, has never managed to be elected to anything, is another product of Tory affirmative action. Promoted to the Tory shadow cabinet for the Orwellian-named “ministry of social cohesion,” Ms Warsi had to be nominated to the House of Lords by David Cameron to even qualify.
* The extremist Communists who oppose freedom of speech and democracy in Britain have in the interim upped their threats to blockade the BBC’s studios in an attempt to prevent the programme from being broadcast.
Despite public threats of violence and intimidation, the authorities have refused to act.
Source: BNP.org
It's all interesting stuff. The past few weeks have provided some of the more interesting shit in politics than I can remember.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 16 2009, 12:42)
lost of stuff about ebony and black madonnsas
I would assume that the above is simplifying the arguement a bit. It could have something to do with the conversion or attempt to convert Moors around the Granada region and stragglers in Europe to RC. Even the Wiki page says the ebony argument is well, a bit bollocks.
I may come back and type more about this later but Ive got to go out
It's hard to believe that Johnson was at one time being touted as the next PM when everyone believed that NL were about to pull a Thatcher on Brown.
The guy made a total plonker out of himself when he resorted to bringing up two corrupt UKIP members (I think almost every MP that has had a spat with UKIP has tried that one now) that as pointed were actually kicked out of the party unlike the current batch of corrupt twats who only resign occasionaly.
Anyone else getting tired of people always attempting to dump UKIP into the same pile as the BNP? I don't even vote UKIP (did come close one time though) but it always comes across as a paper thin attempt at smearing the party when people play the racist card against them and as soon as it is pointed out that they actually have black and asian representatives everyone shuts up.
The guy made a total plonker out of himself when he resorted to bringing up two corrupt UKIP members (I think almost every MP that has had a spat with UKIP has tried that one now) that as pointed were actually kicked out of the party unlike the current batch of corrupt twats who only resign occasionaly.
Anyone else getting tired of people always attempting to dump UKIP into the same pile as the BNP? I don't even vote UKIP (did come close one time though) but it always comes across as a paper thin attempt at smearing the party when people play the racist card against them and as soon as it is pointed out that they actually have black and asian representatives everyone shuts up.
I don't have a problem with UKIP because of their racism. I have a problem with them because they're clearly a party founded on greed - it's rather apt that their logo is a pound sign.
I'd like to see Nigel Farage be interviewed with the condition that he's not allowed to use the word "Europe".
An interesting piece by George Galloway, the MP for Bethnal Green & Bow regarding the Goldstone report;
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The United Nations Rights Council, meeting in Geneva, is about to report on the Goldstone report into Israel's assault on the people of Gaza at in December 2008 and 2009.
The report, written by someone who could not remotely be described as biased towards the Palestinians, found devastating evidence of Israeli war crimes during the bombardment and land incursion.
The British government initially indicated that it would vote to accept the report, which would then be forwarded to the UN Security Council.
It now seems it is about to renege on that pledge and vote to block it.
Respect MP George Galloway says, "If Britain casts its vote against the truth it will be a staggering indictment of this government. Everyone who responded in shock and horror to the bombardment of Gaza should contact the Foreign and Commonwealth Office now to demand that the British representative to the UN stands by the original decision.
"Burying this report will only create deeper bitterness in the Middle East and further sully our country's reputation. It will, more importantly, send a signal to the hawks in Israel that they can kill and maim Palestinians with impunity.
"Gordon Brown and David Milliband have a chance to avoid that. They should be held to account if they refuse to take it."
The report, written by someone who could not remotely be described as biased towards the Palestinians, found devastating evidence of Israeli war crimes during the bombardment and land incursion.
The British government initially indicated that it would vote to accept the report, which would then be forwarded to the UN Security Council.
It now seems it is about to renege on that pledge and vote to block it.
Respect MP George Galloway says, "If Britain casts its vote against the truth it will be a staggering indictment of this government. Everyone who responded in shock and horror to the bombardment of Gaza should contact the Foreign and Commonwealth Office now to demand that the British representative to the UN stands by the original decision.
"Burying this report will only create deeper bitterness in the Middle East and further sully our country's reputation. It will, more importantly, send a signal to the hawks in Israel that they can kill and maim Palestinians with impunity.
"Gordon Brown and David Milliband have a chance to avoid that. They should be held to account if they refuse to take it."
Peter Hain doesnt want BNP on QT
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...entid=150306849
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...entid=150306849
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Hain warns BBC over BNP appearance
pa.press.net
A Cabinet minister has warned the BBC that it could face legal action unless it scraps the controversial appearance of far-right MEP Nick Griffin on Question Time.
Peter Hain has written to BBC director general Mark Thompson demanding he suspend the "abhorrent" inclusion of the British National Party leader on the flagship political debate show.
The Welsh Secretary argued that the BNP was at present "an unlawful body" after the party told a court last week it would amend its whites-only membership rules to meet discrimination legislation.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission had issued county court proceedings over concerns the membership criteria were restrictive to those within certain ethnic groups.
Mr Griffin is due to appear on Thursday's edition of Question Time alongside Justice Secretary Jack Straw, representatives of the other main parties and black writer Bonnie Greer.
But in his letter, Mr Hain said: "Now that the BNP have accepted they are at present an unlawful body, it would be perverse of you to maintain that they are just like any other democratically-elected party. On their own admission, at present, they are not.
"If you do not review the decision you may run the very serious risk of legal challenge in addition to the moral objections that I make. In my view, your approach is unreasonable, irrational and unlawful."
The BBC says Mr Griffin's inclusion is based on obligations resulting from the party's success in winning two seats in European Parliament elections this year.
A spokesman said the corporation had set out its position on the Question Time decision and would respond to Mr Hain "in due course". He added: "Our understanding is that, if there was an election tomorrow, the BNP would be able to stand. Our audiences, and the electorate, will make up their own minds about the different policies offered by elected politicians."
Anti-fascist campaigners plan to stage a protest against Mr Griffin's presence on the show at the BBC's Television Centre in west London when the show is filmed on Thursday. But an opinion poll at the weekend found voters backed the BBC by 63% to 23%.
pa.press.net
A Cabinet minister has warned the BBC that it could face legal action unless it scraps the controversial appearance of far-right MEP Nick Griffin on Question Time.
Peter Hain has written to BBC director general Mark Thompson demanding he suspend the "abhorrent" inclusion of the British National Party leader on the flagship political debate show.
The Welsh Secretary argued that the BNP was at present "an unlawful body" after the party told a court last week it would amend its whites-only membership rules to meet discrimination legislation.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission had issued county court proceedings over concerns the membership criteria were restrictive to those within certain ethnic groups.
Mr Griffin is due to appear on Thursday's edition of Question Time alongside Justice Secretary Jack Straw, representatives of the other main parties and black writer Bonnie Greer.
But in his letter, Mr Hain said: "Now that the BNP have accepted they are at present an unlawful body, it would be perverse of you to maintain that they are just like any other democratically-elected party. On their own admission, at present, they are not.
"If you do not review the decision you may run the very serious risk of legal challenge in addition to the moral objections that I make. In my view, your approach is unreasonable, irrational and unlawful."
The BBC says Mr Griffin's inclusion is based on obligations resulting from the party's success in winning two seats in European Parliament elections this year.
A spokesman said the corporation had set out its position on the Question Time decision and would respond to Mr Hain "in due course". He added: "Our understanding is that, if there was an election tomorrow, the BNP would be able to stand. Our audiences, and the electorate, will make up their own minds about the different policies offered by elected politicians."
Anti-fascist campaigners plan to stage a protest against Mr Griffin's presence on the show at the BBC's Television Centre in west London when the show is filmed on Thursday. But an opinion poll at the weekend found voters backed the BBC by 63% to 23%.
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"Our audiences, and the electorate, will make up their own minds about the different policies offered by elected politicians."
This statement probably sums the whole situation up best.
I'm getting fed up with this bollocks. Let them on to the show - everything they push can be easily destroyed in debate, which is the only real, conclusive way to deal with them. The more people try to get them barred, the more sympathy they gain, and they end up being seen as martyrs.
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 14:09)
I'm getting fed up with this bollocks. Let them on to the show - everything they push can be easily destroyed in debate, which is the only real, conclusive way to deal with them. The more people try to get them barred, the more sympathy they gain, and they end up being seen as martyrs.
I'm sure that like me you've encountered fellow lefties who can't understand the reasoning behind this. One guy I was trying to convince how this would be the best method to expose the BNP even invoked Godwins Law saying they tried that in Germany! I just didn't bother trying to explain myself further.
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 14:09)
I'm getting fed up with this bollocks. Let them on to the show - everything they push can be easily destroyed in debate, which is the only real, conclusive way to deal with them. The more people try to get them barred, the more sympathy they gain, and they end up being seen as martyrs.
The problem is that Question Time doesn't really lend itself to real debate. There's no knowledgeable interviewer asking all the tough questions to ensure the public really sees the true views of the politicians. Last week with Nigel Farage was the perfect example of a charming guy being allowed to get away with murder.
QUOTE (bobbins @ Oct 19 2009, 13:31)
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 14:09)
I'm getting fed up with this bollocks. Let them on to the show - everything they push can be easily destroyed in debate, which is the only real, conclusive way to deal with them. The more people try to get them barred, the more sympathy they gain, and they end up being seen as martyrs.
The problem is that Question Time doesn't really lend itself to real debate. There's no knowledgeable interviewer asking all the tough questions to ensure the public really sees the true views of the politicians. Last week with Nigel Farage was the perfect example of a charming guy being allowed to get away with murder.
I don't think there is any danger of Griffin pulling that off. I think he'll hang himself out to dry, the law of averages leaves me pretty confident that if he has to give his opnion on half a dozen questions over the course of an hour at some point the thick twat will stick his foot in his mouth.
QUOTE (bobbins @ Oct 19 2009, 14:31)
Last week with Nigel Farage was the perfect example of a charming guy being allowed to get away with murder.
I don't think Nick Griffin will be given such free rein, because he's an overt racist which outweighs whatever charm and charisma he has.
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 19 2009, 13:45)
I think he'll hang himself out to dry, the law of averages leaves me pretty confident that if he has to give his opnion on half a dozen questions over the course of an hour at some point the thick twat will stick his foot in his mouth.
There are many things you can call Griffin, but I would say he's very far from being thick.
The progress that the BNP have made in recent years is an example of that. If someone had said three or four years ago that the BNP would be holding seats in the European Parliament they would have been laughed at.
I don't think the panel chosen to sit alongside him will work against him either. Bonnie Greer & Sayeeda Warsi may look like good choices to "confront" Griffin, but this is likely what Griffin will want.
He'll likely end up being booed, cut off constantly, and will manage to look as though he's being ganged up on.
This is looking set to be one of the most watched episodes of QT in recent times, so there'll be plenty of viewers tuning in who don't usually watch, and some of them won't even be fans of politics i'm willing to bet.
The show has been covered in all of the tabloids, which means it's known to the "regular Joe".
If these people tune in to see someone who knows how to work a crowd, making the right noises about rights for the average British worker, housing for British people, jobs for British people etc being cut off, booed, and "taken to task" by both Greer & Warsi, I doubt many of them will be thinking "yeah, that Griffin is a twat! Fuck him!".
They'll see a guy making noises about helping people just like them, a lone voice in the crowd and all that carry-on, getting bullied and vilified.
The way things are looking with the show, and especially with the media coverage the idiot left protesters will undoubtedly get, it's really a case of win/win for the BNP.
Far from being "thick", i'd say Griffin is smarter than most of the left combined.
Articles such as this are certainly doing the BNP no harm at all;
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Nick Griffin has claimed that his Question Time invitation marks the BNP's arrival "in the British political system", as he argued that some Sikhs and Hindus now support the far-right party.
The BNP leader, who is due appear on BBC One's flagship political debate programme this week, said that many ethnic minority Britons agreed with the party's hard-line opposition to immigration.
Amid increasing public scrutiny of the BNP's racist policies, Mr Griffin contrasted "civically British" minority communities who lived here "legally and legitimately", with Islamic "colonists" who wanted to impose their views on the rest of society.
But he said that the BNP's purpose remained to represent "indigenous Brits" – not including any ethnic minorities, even people like the Gurkhas who had fought for this country's armed forces.
"It's not a matter of racism; it's a matter of standing up for the indigenous. No one in this country is here for the English, the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh," he said on Sky News' Sunday Live with Adam Boulton.
Describing the Muslim faith as "vicious and wicked", added that: "Islam and our society don't mix".
Mr Griffin was speaking after being forced to pledge to lift a bar on non-whites joining the party in response to court action by an equalities watchdog.
Yesterday it was reported that Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront Mr Griffin during the recording of Question Time on Thursday.
The BNP leader, who is due appear on BBC One's flagship political debate programme this week, said that many ethnic minority Britons agreed with the party's hard-line opposition to immigration.
Amid increasing public scrutiny of the BNP's racist policies, Mr Griffin contrasted "civically British" minority communities who lived here "legally and legitimately", with Islamic "colonists" who wanted to impose their views on the rest of society.
But he said that the BNP's purpose remained to represent "indigenous Brits" – not including any ethnic minorities, even people like the Gurkhas who had fought for this country's armed forces.
"It's not a matter of racism; it's a matter of standing up for the indigenous. No one in this country is here for the English, the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh," he said on Sky News' Sunday Live with Adam Boulton.
Describing the Muslim faith as "vicious and wicked", added that: "Islam and our society don't mix".
Mr Griffin was speaking after being forced to pledge to lift a bar on non-whites joining the party in response to court action by an equalities watchdog.
Yesterday it was reported that Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront Mr Griffin during the recording of Question Time on Thursday.
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 14:35)
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 19 2009, 13:45)
I think he'll hang himself out to dry, the law of averages leaves me pretty confident that if he has to give his opnion on half a dozen questions over the course of an hour at some point the thick twat will stick his foot in his mouth.
There are many things you can call Griffin, but I would say he's very far from being thick.
Why not? He was bright enough to realise that that the Nazi/Skinhead image wasn't the best but beyond that he's never really seemed to be the sharpest tool in the box. In the context of the Far Right he's the smartest guy in the room, but when the room is almost exclusively populated by chimps that's not really that much to write home about.
The BNP really hasn't made that much progress you know. There were a certain number of people who would have happily voted BNP but were put off by the NF links, he made it possible for those people to vote BNP - sure it's an achievement of sorts but it doesn't represent a massive stride forward for the Far Right in the UK. If he takes their current support level and doubles it that would be a massive stride forward as it would show he was attracting a new type of person to the 'cause' . If that happended I might start to give this political genius a bit more credit.
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 19 2009, 14:46)
Why not? He was bright enough to realise that that the Nazi/Skinhead image wasn't the best but beyond that he's never really seemed to be the sharpest tool in the box. In the context of the Far Right he's the smartest guy in the room, but when the room is almost exclusively populated by chimps that's not really that much to write home about.
The BNP really hasn't made that much progress you know. There were a certain number of people who would have happily voted BNP but were put off by the NF links, he made it possible for those people to vote BNP - sure it's an achievement of sorts but it doesn't represent a massive stride forward for the Far Right in the UK. If he takes their current support level and doubles it that would be a massive stride forward as it would show he was attracting a new type of person to the 'cause' . If that happended I might start to give this political genius a bit more credit.
The BNP really hasn't made that much progress you know. There were a certain number of people who would have happily voted BNP but were put off by the NF links, he made it possible for those people to vote BNP - sure it's an achievement of sorts but it doesn't represent a massive stride forward for the Far Right in the UK. If he takes their current support level and doubles it that would be a massive stride forward as it would show he was attracting a new type of person to the 'cause' . If that happended I might start to give this political genius a bit more credit.
I'm not saying he's a political genius Joe, i'm simply saying that he's no idiot.
As for taking his support level and doubling it, I wouldn't consider that to be out of the question, especially if things keep going as they are in this country.
I'm certainly not saying that the BNP are the answer (although i'm seriously starting to doubt they would do much worse than our current lot), and most people who take an interest in politics know that to be the case, but they are certainly starting to get the mainstream publicity they want in order to reach the average person in the street.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 15:35)
Far from being "thick", i'd say Griffin is smarter than most of the left combined.
A laughable claim. And from I've seen and heard from this guy, he's a goon. Every single thing he's ever put forward is easy to obliterate by anyone who actually knows what they're talking about - it's not like he's saying anything new.
If you're talking about making the BNP marketable, that's not smart - that's just basic. And he can't even manage that; all anyone has to do is haul up the footage of him from Youtube of his visit to talk to the Ku Klux Klan or whichever white supremacist group it was where he talks about how he doesn't actually mean any of the "re-branding", and that it's just to get the BNP's foot under the table.
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 15:18)
A laughable claim. And from I've seen and heard from this guy, he's a goon. Every single thing he's ever put forward is easy to obliterate by anyone who actually knows what they're talking about - it's not like he's saying anything new.
Everything he puts forward is easy to obliterate, but the chances are the headlines will be made by protesters, hecklers and the like.
The fucking moronic left don't seem to understand that by doing what they always do, they play right into the BNP's hands.
Why do you think he organised that mini-meeting in full view of the public outside of Westminster a while back? He knew the numpties would come out and play along as usual.
The only reason the BNP are a bigger deal than any other minor political party is because the left make them a big deal.
So many of these people claim to have University backgrounds, and display all the traits of an intelligent human being 99% of the time.
I can't understand why they continue to react in a way that does nothing except get the BNP the coverage they desire.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 16:32)
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 15:18)
A laughable claim. And from I've seen and heard from this guy, he's a goon. Every single thing he's ever put forward is easy to obliterate by anyone who actually knows what they're talking about - it's not like he's saying anything new.
Everything he puts forward is easy to obliterate, but the chances are the headlines will be made by protesters, hecklers and the like.
The fucking moronic left don't seem to understand that by doing what they always do, they play right into the BNP's hands.
Why do you think he organised that mini-meeting in full view of the public outside of Westminster a while back? He knew the numpties would come out and play along as usual.
The only reason the BNP are a bigger deal than any other minor political party is because the left make them a big deal.
So many of these people claim to have University backgrounds, and display all the traits of an intelligent human being 99% of the time.
I can't understand why they continue to react in a way that does nothing except get the BNP the coverage they desire.
I'm left-wing, and the majority of left-wingers I know are very intelligent. Not really liking the general tarring here. Besides, I've found that most of the time, it's not the left playing into the BNP's hands, it's the liberals, neoliberals and centrists - almost as if they feel their glass tower society is so delicate, it could be smashed by a single man's ignorance. Probably because they know the way it's orientated now, it wouldn't take much to push it towards the BNP; if they truly were confident in the stability of the great British society they're so proud of, they wouldn't feel so insecure in dealing with threats to it.
Just so you know, New Labour isn't left-wing, it's centre as fuck.
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 15:37)
I'm left-wing, and the majority of left-wingers I know are very intelligent. Not really liking the general tarring here.
The "general tarring" is always going to happen C-Bomb. It happens with the general consensus that the right are all "thick cunts" as well, so the it's not a case of the left being singled out.
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 15:37)
Just so you know, New Labour isn't left-wing, it's centre as fuck.
Did I actually say that somewhere? If so, I apologise, as it's definately not the case.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 16:43)
QUOTE (Carbomb @ Oct 19 2009, 15:37)
Just so you know, New Labour isn't left-wing, it's centre as fuck.
Did I actually say that somewhere? If so, I apologise, as it's definately not the case.
No, you didn't, so no need to apologise; what I'm trying to say is that, generally speaking, the majority of people who tend to throw up the whole "DON'T LET 'EM SPEAK" campaign tend to be neoliberals and centrists, rather than left-wingers. Most left-wingers (at least, the ones I know, and when you have a Marxist for a dad, you tend to meet loads) I find tend to salivate at the prospect of going toe-to-toe with an extreme righty, just to humiliate them.
Having openly voted BNP in the European election, mainly because i'm very anti-European Union and saw the option of not voting as a soft option, I saw voting BNP as a way of fucking with their set-up a little.
Yeah, I knew that would bring all the "you iz a racist!!!11!!" carry-on, but fuck it.
I think most people know that the BNP aren't going to see any major increase in their position in the UK political scene, but as far as i'm concerned, keeping them around makes things interesting for someone like myself who has zero interest in the main parties.
Yeah, I knew that would bring all the "you iz a racist!!!11!!" carry-on, but fuck it.
I think most people know that the BNP aren't going to see any major increase in their position in the UK political scene, but as far as i'm concerned, keeping them around makes things interesting for someone like myself who has zero interest in the main parties.
Might be already posted judging by the subject at the mo, Nick Griffin is on Question Time this Thursday.
QUOTE (Dynamite Duane @ Oct 19 2009, 15:59)
Might be already posted judging by the subject at the mo, Nick Griffin is on Question Time this Thursday.
I know people don't always read the thread but for crying out loud Duane this is ridiculous.
QUOTE (Joe_the_Lion @ Oct 19 2009, 16:01)
QUOTE (Dynamite Duane @ Oct 19 2009, 15:59)
Might be already posted judging by the subject at the mo, Nick Griffin is on Question Time this Thursday.
I know people don't always read the thread but for crying out loud Duane this is ridiculous.
I'm sure he posted that as a joke Joe.
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Everything he puts forward is easy to obliterate, but the chances are the headlines will be made by protesters, hecklers and the like.
The fucking moronic left don't seem to understand that by doing what they always do, they play right into the BNP's hands.
Why do you think he organised that mini-meeting in full view of the public outside of Westminster a while back? He knew the numpties would come out and play along as usual.
The only reason the BNP are a bigger deal than any other minor political party is because the left make them a big deal.
So many of these people claim to have University backgrounds, and display all the traits of an intelligent human being 99% of the time.
I can't understand why they continue to react in a way that does nothing except get the BNP the coverage they desire.
The fucking moronic left don't seem to understand that by doing what they always do, they play right into the BNP's hands.
Why do you think he organised that mini-meeting in full view of the public outside of Westminster a while back? He knew the numpties would come out and play along as usual.
The only reason the BNP are a bigger deal than any other minor political party is because the left make them a big deal.
So many of these people claim to have University backgrounds, and display all the traits of an intelligent human being 99% of the time.
I can't understand why they continue to react in a way that does nothing except get the BNP the coverage they desire.
I'm not sure that it can really be classed as intelligence. The BNP are getting more coverage than ever because of the controversy they eminate and the fact that protestors follow them everywhere. They've also managed to up the stakes by getting seats in EU government, but the problem is, all the controversy is getting them a ton of attention but when it comes to voting time, it probably won't do them any favours.
More people than ever will recognise who they are on a ballot slip but will then immediately move their pen to a different box.
"All publicity is good publicity" is perfectly valid when you're trying to shift some t-shirts or book gigs, but bad publicity won't do you any favours getting voted into any government of note.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 15:35)
The progress that the BNP have made in recent years is an example of that.
I think that's more to do with Labour's mishandling of the immigration issue than anything clever the BNP have done. They still have the same core of scumbags but have managed to attract support from people who are disillusioned with one or two things and don't think about the bigger picture. or perhaps they are stupid enough to believe the bullshit that comes out of Griffin's mouth.
As for Question Time, they should be entitled to stand up and have their say. Hopefully, the country is intelligent enough to debate it and make the right judgement based on it.
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The BNP is bracing itself for potentially fresh embarrassment tomorrow when details of the party's UK-wide rank and file membership are expected to be posted on the internet.
The list, which purports to be a snapshot of the party's support in April this year, includes the names, addresses, postcodes and telephone numbers of people who have signed up to the far-right group, including the grade of membership assigned by the party – Standard, Family, Family Plus, Gold, OAP, and Unwaged.
This list was leaked to a website, which insisted today that it was genuine, and that it intended to publish the information tomorrow.
Today the BNP seemed unaware of the potential disclosure and said it appeared to have been timed to undermine the party ahead of its leader Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time on Thursday.
Today the political row about the BBC's decision to invite him on to the programme intensified, with the corporation refusing to bow to pressure from a cabinet minister to cancel Griffin's appearance.
The apparent disclosure of a membership list will add to the controversy surrounding the party.
The Guardian has seen the list but could not verify its authenticity. It appears to show that:
• The BNP had 11,560 members as of April this year, including one peer;
• The party appears to have benefited from a surge in female recruits – one in eight of the party's members are now women;
• The highest concentrations of membership lie in Leicestershire, Lancashire, Derbyshire and Lincolnshire.
If the document is authentic, it will be the third time the party's internal membership data has been made public in recent years.
In November 2008, a list of members' names, addresses, contact details and sometimes jobs and hobbies was leaked by disgruntled members, who were said to have become frustrated that the party had become too soft under Griffin.
That list was widely circulated on the internet and last month 37-year-old former BNP member Matthew Single, appearing before Nottingham magistrates, admitted leaking the data and was fined £200 for breaching the Data Protection Act.
In December 2006, an undercover investigation by the Guardian revealed that the organisation's members included Simone Clarke, then a ballerina for the English National Ballet.
A spokesman for the website which is proposing to publish the list said today it wanted to reveal the membership data in order to provoke a debate in the UK about why people want to become members of the BNP.
A BNP spokesman said it considered any publication of its internal membership data to be a criminal offence under the Data Protection Act.
"This is an example of the perpetual hatred and vilification we face," said BNP deputy chairman Simon Darby. "The public will look at this and think it is another example of persecution of the BNP and wonder what on earth the establishment is frightened of."
Griffin will become the party's first representative to appear on Question Time on Thursday evening, when he will face fellow panellists including justice secretary Jack Straw. The BBC's invitation to Griffin has caused outrage and today the Welsh secretary, Peter Hain, called on the broadcaster to withdraw the invitation because the BNP is currently "an unlawful body" after the party told a court last week it would have to amend its whites-only membership rules to meet discrimination legislation.
The BNP claimed the publication of the list was timed to sabotage the impact of its Question Time appearance. Darby said BNP officials are currently examining ways to capitalise on the platform.
The last time BNP data was published, it emerged that teachers, policemen and former members of the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats had signed up. Several dozen of them admitted to being members and were named in the press. The latest list suggests that at least 19 of those members have now left the party.
The list, which purports to be a snapshot of the party's support in April this year, includes the names, addresses, postcodes and telephone numbers of people who have signed up to the far-right group, including the grade of membership assigned by the party – Standard, Family, Family Plus, Gold, OAP, and Unwaged.
This list was leaked to a website, which insisted today that it was genuine, and that it intended to publish the information tomorrow.
Today the BNP seemed unaware of the potential disclosure and said it appeared to have been timed to undermine the party ahead of its leader Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time on Thursday.
Today the political row about the BBC's decision to invite him on to the programme intensified, with the corporation refusing to bow to pressure from a cabinet minister to cancel Griffin's appearance.
The apparent disclosure of a membership list will add to the controversy surrounding the party.
The Guardian has seen the list but could not verify its authenticity. It appears to show that:
• The BNP had 11,560 members as of April this year, including one peer;
• The party appears to have benefited from a surge in female recruits – one in eight of the party's members are now women;
• The highest concentrations of membership lie in Leicestershire, Lancashire, Derbyshire and Lincolnshire.
If the document is authentic, it will be the third time the party's internal membership data has been made public in recent years.
In November 2008, a list of members' names, addresses, contact details and sometimes jobs and hobbies was leaked by disgruntled members, who were said to have become frustrated that the party had become too soft under Griffin.
That list was widely circulated on the internet and last month 37-year-old former BNP member Matthew Single, appearing before Nottingham magistrates, admitted leaking the data and was fined £200 for breaching the Data Protection Act.
In December 2006, an undercover investigation by the Guardian revealed that the organisation's members included Simone Clarke, then a ballerina for the English National Ballet.
A spokesman for the website which is proposing to publish the list said today it wanted to reveal the membership data in order to provoke a debate in the UK about why people want to become members of the BNP.
A BNP spokesman said it considered any publication of its internal membership data to be a criminal offence under the Data Protection Act.
"This is an example of the perpetual hatred and vilification we face," said BNP deputy chairman Simon Darby. "The public will look at this and think it is another example of persecution of the BNP and wonder what on earth the establishment is frightened of."
Griffin will become the party's first representative to appear on Question Time on Thursday evening, when he will face fellow panellists including justice secretary Jack Straw. The BBC's invitation to Griffin has caused outrage and today the Welsh secretary, Peter Hain, called on the broadcaster to withdraw the invitation because the BNP is currently "an unlawful body" after the party told a court last week it would have to amend its whites-only membership rules to meet discrimination legislation.
The BNP claimed the publication of the list was timed to sabotage the impact of its Question Time appearance. Darby said BNP officials are currently examining ways to capitalise on the platform.
The last time BNP data was published, it emerged that teachers, policemen and former members of the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats had signed up. Several dozen of them admitted to being members and were named in the press. The latest list suggests that at least 19 of those members have now left the party.
Source: The Guardian
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 19 2009, 23:42)
BNP Members list leaked on to the net for the third time
Like its important how? Iam sure this is going to have pretty much the same data as before ( basically its what 18 months younger than the last leak.. ooh wow) So all will happen is the same people will get their identities cloned.. phone calls ridiculing them and policemen sacked as before among other things.
Why do the media, or infact anyone think this is news?
Having said that if it was one of the big 3 parties there would be mass hysteria about it. Given that most peoples data ( well at least 25.6million iirc parental benefits etc etc) has been lost, sold on or whatever by this government, I suspect though that the information contained is already floating about on the net somewhere.
QUOTE (patdfb @ Oct 19 2009, 23:18)
So all will happen is the same people will get their identities cloned.. phone calls ridiculing them and policemen sacked as before among other things.
Why do the media, or infact anyone think this is news?
Why do the media, or infact anyone think this is news?
Maybe because it's a disgrace that people could have their identity cloned, be heckled in the streets or sacked from their jobs simply for joining a political organisation?
Whats even worse, is that it's somehow considered "okay" for this to happen because they are BNP members.
daft suggestion from Peter Hain to be honest. he has a problem with Griffin on QT but there was a deafining silence when the IRA Brighton bomber Patrick Magee was allowed in Parliament.
as echoed before the only way to show the BNP up is to have them on these kind of forums.
as echoed before the only way to show the BNP up is to have them on these kind of forums.
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Oct 20 2009, 0:23)
QUOTE (patdfb @ Oct 19 2009, 23:18)
So all will happen is the same people will get their identities cloned.. phone calls ridiculing them and policemen sacked as before among other things.
Why do the media, or infact anyone think this is news?
Why do the media, or infact anyone think this is news?
Maybe because it's a disgrace that people could have their identity cloned, be heckled in the streets or sacked from their jobs simply for joining a political organisation?
Whats even worse, is that it's somehow considered "okay" for this to happen because they are BNP members.
As menioned 'The Gov' have already lost most of the countries details in one form or another. so cloning is an issue for every one, whether they like it or not, not just the BNP
The sacked from the jobs was because the person in question was a policeman you did know this ?
The police arent allowed to be a member of any political party afaik. So the member in question would have surely known that joining the BNP was on a hiding to nothing whatever happened. So thats his own stupid mistake.
Where was it said that its okay? What I said is why is it news?... 1st time, why yes thats interesting. 2nd time, okay, this is a bit more complete. 3rd time who the fuck cares now? I mean really who cares.
The BNP have some shit Data Protection going on and need to get that sorted perhaps but as a news item its lost all interest for me and is being done for sensationalism only to keep the party in the news. I wouldnt be suprised as per the other two lists that this was 'leaked' to show again how legitimate some of the members of the BNP are.
Its like ooh theres a Lord....... Lawks a Lordy... So what a Lord is a member of a party that is considered to be fascist in nature? This means what? They are the epitome of all that is evil and should be dragged out and shot because you, the media say so? Piss off already. I just dont care. They could have 3 aliens all called Gilbert for all I give a stuff... People could then go OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLZL!!!!!111!!!!! and whatever in mock horror.
The list has been leaked ah gain *sighs* to porvoke a reaction. It has worked on me ahh gain because it has bored me to tears and I am now writing about it on the internet as if its the biggest news story since Al Gore decided lobal warming was going to kill us all ( or something
)Wake me up in the summer when the 4th revised BNP list is let loose or some one gets hold of another parties list....
QUOTE (patdfb @ Oct 19 2009, 23:59)
Its like ooh theres a Lord....... Lawks a Lordy... So what a Lord is a member of a party that is considered to be fascist in nature? This means what? They are the epitome of all that is evil and should be dragged out and shot because you, the media say so? Piss off already. I just dont care. They could have 3 aliens all called Gilbert for all I give a stuff... People could then go OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLZL!!!!!111!!!!! and whatever in mock horror.
The list has been leaked ah gain *sighs* to porvoke a reaction. It has worked on me ahh gain because it has bored me to tears and I am now writing about it on the internet as if its the biggest news story since Al Gore decided lobal warming was going to kill us all ( or something )
The list has been leaked ah gain *sighs* to porvoke a reaction. It has worked on me ahh gain because it has bored me to tears and I am now writing about it on the internet as if its the biggest news story since Al Gore decided lobal warming was going to kill us all ( or something
) Trying to make sense of your post makes my head hurt.
The police aren't allowed to be BNP members because police officers are supposed to support the entire community, no matter ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion, and the BNP's explicitly stated policies run counter to that.
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