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David
I thought this would be a good idea for those politically themed topics that didn't quite make the cut for their own thread.

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The UK's equalities watchdog has begun legal action against the British National Party over concerns about ethnic restrictions on its membership.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission said limiting membership to those of an "ethnic origin" described as "indigenous Caucasian" was illegal.

It has issued proceedings against BNP leader Nick Griffin and two officials.

The party called this a "pathetic attempt" by the commission to divert attention from its own problems.

But equality minister Harriet Harman said: "No party should be allowed to have an apartheid constitution in 21st Century Britain. I welcome the action."

The commission has issued county court proceedings against the BNP after voicing concerns in June.

The UK's equalities watchdog has begun legal action against the British National Party over concerns about ethnic restrictions on its membership.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission said limiting membership to those of an "ethnic origin" described as "indigenous Caucasian" was illegal.

It has issued proceedings against BNP leader Nick Griffin and two officials.

The party called this a "pathetic attempt" by the commission to divert attention from its own problems.

But equality minister Harriet Harman said: "No party should be allowed to have an apartheid constitution in 21st Century Britain. I welcome the action."

The commission has issued county court proceedings against the BNP after voicing concerns in June.

"The commission has a statutory duty to use our regulatory powers to enforce compliance with the law, so we have today issued county court proceedings against the BNP.

"However, the party still has an opportunity to resolve this quickly by giving the undertaking on its membership criteria that the commission requires."

The BNP's constitution - last framed in September 2008 - does not explicitly mention the word "white" when talking about restrictions on membership.

The term is only used in the section on the party's political objectives: "It is... committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white make-up of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."

The BNP's constitution limits membership to a group it describes in this way: "The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of 'Indigenous Caucasian' consists of members of: i) the Anglo-Saxon folk community; ii) the Celtic Scottish folk community; iii) the Scots-Northern Irish folk community; iv) the Celtic Welsh folk community; v) the Celtic Irish folk community; vi) the Celtic Cornish folk community; vii) the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic folk community; viii) the Celtic-Norse folk community; ix) the Anglo-Saxon-Norse folk community; x) the Anglo-Saxon Indigenous European folk community; xi) members of these ethnic groups which reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them."

Lee Barnes, legal officer for the BNP, told the BBC: "We think that the commission has brought this action at the behest of the Labour Party.

"It is also a galvanising thing to focus the commission's attention away from its own problems and internal issues."

Six commissioners have have left the EHCR in recent months and there have been criticisms of the leadership of chairman Trevor Phillips.

The communities and local government committee is set to investigate how the watchdog is run later this year and may ask Mr Phillips to give evidence.

Mr Barnes said: "It has nothing to do with discrimination; it's all to do with internal politicking."


Source: BBC.com

I'm guessing that there will be a deluge of non-whites racing to join the BNP if this legal action comes into play.

Another time and resource wasting exercise it would seem.
Keith Houchen
hardcore_harry in BNP related thread shocker.

I'm surprised Griffin didn't wheel out the "We're not racist because we are only for whites, are the girl guides sexist because they are for girls", he usually does.
The King Of Swing
What hacks me off about this is that they have had plenty of time to take this kind of action against the BNPeaBrains yet only bothered now that the party has started gaining ground in Europe and as the report states at a time when the EHCR is faced with internal problems.

If the major parties had the balls to call a serious debate on immigration in the first place (as well as actually kicking out those who failed to claim residence here) instead of cowering at the thought of being called racist by the PC Brigade this whole sorry mess may well have deen avoided.
Dynamite Duane
BNP is not general politics, they are far right extremists who want to divide people, it's just so small minded.

I'm off to the Notting Hill Carnival on Sunday for a great time mixing with people of different colours and creeds, there is a whole world of different people out there to meet and make you a richer person for meeting them. F**k the BNP!! I don't want to know, they shouldn't be given a platform to preach their policies of hate and division.
Steveo2007
Although I don't agree with their politics, I do think they should be allowed the right to exclude those who don't fit into their political view. We're essentially forcing a far right party to change their views and as repulsive as I find them and their politics, everyone is entitled to their own view and if they want to exclude non-whites then so be it. What ethnic person would want to join the BNP anyway knowing what they stand for?
Dynamite Duane
Sounds like a wasted effort, it's not like we have a constitution and they've declared the BNP unconstitutional.
David
QUOTE (Dynamite Duane @ Aug 24 2009, 23:10) *
they shouldn't be given a platform to preach their policies of hate and division.


Of course they should.

No one has to listen mind you, but they have as much right to a platform as any other political party in the country.

QUOTE (Dynamite Duane @ Aug 24 2009, 23:10) *
I'm off to the Notting Hill Carnival on Sunday for a great time mixing with people of different colours and creeds, there is a whole world of different people out there to meet and make you a richer person for meeting them.


Have fun.

You may want to be careful though. Some of the people you'll come across at the festival are intent on making you poorer, not richer.

The chairman of the MET had this to say on the radio a few years back;

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In my experience, the level of reported crime is far below that which really happens, and the whole process is down-played for political reasons.]

Police are actively discouraged from making arrests by senior officers for fear of sparking a riot situation, and I have seen serious criminal offences taking place while we are powerless to act... There is a significant criminal minority who exploit it in the full knowledge that the police will tread extremely lightly... The record of the Carnival is pretty appalling.'


Whilst the London Evening standard also said;

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Organisers of the Notting Hill Carnival have finally agreed to an earlier starting time to avoid a repeat of last year's rioting.

Police and councils had threatened to refuse permission for the festival on 30 and 31 August unless strict new measures were introduced to reduce noise and violence.

They have insisted that the carnival begins at 9am and the last float is judged at 6.30pm so that the parade will have left the road by nightfall. Last year 50 police were injured in violence, with mobs throwing bricks and bottles while following a late-running float.

Organisers will also be forced to turn down the music after noise levels breached 140 decibels last year.


So keep an eyeball on your wallet chief thumbs-up.gif
Steveo2007
QUOTE (Dynamite Duane @ Aug 25 2009, 0:27) *
Sounds like a wasted effort, it's not like we have a constitution and they've declared the BNP unconstitutional.

I love the throwing around of the phrase constitution and people buying into it when we don't actually have a physical constitution. What we do have, however, are a system of laws which people interpret as a constitution.
The King Of Swing
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Aug 25 2009, 0:30) *
they have as much right to a platform as any other political party in the country.


As much as I loath the BNP I have to agree with this.

The obvious double standard when it comes to the BNP is what sickens me, I mean people (rightly) slam them as a facist party yet their solution to them is to try and get them "banned" (and in some cases threats of violence) instead of smacking them down with reasonable debate.

Both the extreme right and the extreme left are populated by facist retards.

It's just two sides of the same coin.
claymore
Debate in the sense of head to head verbal argument with the BNP won't work. They use similar persuasive techniques to the evolution deniers in the States - they just blatantly make shit up. They put some bullshit fact or figure out there, like 99.79% of council houses in the UK are occupied by asylum seekers, and go straight on to some other topic before anyone has a chance to call them on it.

In the wider social discussion, the fuckers don't stand a chance. Given time to prove their claims false, anyone of any intelligence could demolish the BNP. Unfortunately, the people who vote BNP aren't very intelligent.

By all means, I think that we need strong free speech legislation in this country and that people should be able to hold and express any views that they like. If the practice of those beliefs is to the harm or disadvantage of anyone else, that is grounds for regulation. So specifically, the BNP as a registered political party is not allowed to restrict membership on the grounds of race, just as an employer isn't allowed to racially discriminate in hiring practices.
David
QUOTE (claymore @ Aug 25 2009, 8:41) *
By all means, I think that we need strong free speech legislation in this country and that people should be able to hold and express any views that they like. If the practice of those beliefs is to the harm or disadvantage of anyone else, that is grounds for regulation. So specifically, the BNP as a registered political party is not allowed to restrict membership on the grounds of race, just as an employer isn't allowed to racially discriminate in hiring practices.


Try telling that to our equality minister;

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The Equality Minister defended plans to encourage firms to discriminate in favour of female and ethnic minorities job candidates.

The new Equalities Bill is also expected to force employers to disclose salary structures in a bid to make the pay gap between men and women more transparent.

Responding to criticism that the plans could discriminate against white men, Ms Harman said "you don't get progress if there isn't a bit of a push forward".


Source: Independent.co.uk
Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (claymore @ Aug 25 2009, 9:41) *
By all means, I think that we need strong free speech legislation in this country and that people should be able to hold and express any views that they like. If the practice of those beliefs is to the harm or disadvantage of anyone else, that is grounds for regulation. So specifically, the BNP as a registered political party is not allowed to restrict membership on the grounds of race, just as an employer isn't allowed to racially discriminate in hiring practices.


An employer is allowed to discriminate in hiring practices. The equal opportunity laws apply to the advertising of roles. If I wanted to headhunt someone to come in and do a specific job (and did so by inviting candidates I was interested in rather than putting out a general advertisement) there is nothing stopping me from deciding that I wasn't going to look at anyone black and there is equally nothing to stop from asking a woman if she intended to have children in those circumstances.



David
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David Cameron has accepted a challenge to take part in a live television debate with Gordon Brown in the build up to the General Election.

Mr Cameron accepted after Sky News launched a national campaign inviting the Conservative leader, the Prime Minister and Nick Clegg, the leader of the Liberal Democrats to take part.

Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, let slip in July that Mr Brown was planning to use his keynote conference speech in September to discuss the idea of live television debates taking place between the party leaders during next year's campaign. If they take place it would be the first time in British political history.

Lord Mandelson, effectively Mr Brown's deputy, claimed previously that the prime minister would come off best in a debate with Mr Cameron.

"I don't think Gordon would have a problem with that. While Cameron is good with words, he doesn't have the ideas or policies to back them. I think people would see through the smile," he said.

"The more the public sees of them, the more they'd realise that Gordon is the man with the substance."

At that point Mr Cameron made it known he would take part in the debate, writing to Mr Brown saying it "would help to energise our democratic process, engage the electorate and restore trust in politics.

"Your previous objection was that a televised debate was unnecessary as the issues were aired each week in parliament. But Prime Minister's Questions simply cannot compete with the accessibility of a prime time studio debate.

"I want the chance to set out the choice at the next election to many more people than those who watch on a Wednesday lunchtime."

John Ryley, the head of Sky News, said: "There is a chance here, not just to do something that has never been done, but to energise an electorate, to reconnect with the millions of people who have been alienated by politics and the way it is so often covered, to achieve something that is truly democratic."

At the last election, BBC Question Time staged a show in which each of the three main party leaders took part and answered questions from the audience, but they appeared one after another rather than on the stage together.


Source: The Telegraph

It'll be interesting to see if the other parties are willing to become involved in this.

It certainly couldn't do any harm.
RepoMan
It's a good idea, and it'll be interesting to see how Cameron does. It'll make him or break him I think. Parliament's always a decent watch, seeing how quickly they descend into childish retort, so I wonder if they'll manage to keep level headed on live TV.

Though living in London, I'm more used to seeing Boris Johnson talk, and that's always good for a laugh.
Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (RepoMan @ Sep 2 2009, 11:29) *
It's a good idea, and it'll be interesting to see how Cameron does. It'll make him or break him I think.


It could break him if he says something daft but I don't think there's anyway that it could make him - he's already made, Brown is a disaster and the election is the Tories to lose. If I were a betting man I'd say Cameron has thrown out this challenge under the assumption that Brown would turn it down.
David
I see that the BBC have decided to rethink the coverage that they are giving the BNP after their election success.

It seems that the Labour party will now have to share a platform with BNP representatives, which should be good for a laugh as well;

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Labour has been forced to drop its policy of not sharing a platform with the BNP after the BBC confirmed that it is to invite Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time.

The party’s leader together with another BNP candidate were elected as MEPs at the European elections in June, leading to a rethink at the corporation about how much coverage to give the far-right party.

The BBC’s chief political adviser, Ric Bailey, said that the BNP had now “demonstrated evidence of electoral support at a national level” and this would be reflected in the amount of coverage the party received on BBC programmes such as Question Time.

“The BBC is obliged to treat all political parties registered with the Electoral Commission and operating within the law with due impartiality,” he claimed.

Although Gordon Brown is understood to have been angered by the decision, Downing Street made no comment yesterday. Instead it was left to Labour sources to confirm that the party would field a senior figure to appear alongside Mr Griffin.

Until now Labour has had a policy of refusing to share media platforms with the BNP. The Conservatives have made clear that they will field a senior representative for the edition of Question Time, which is expected to to be filmed this autumn in London.

John Whittingdale, the Conservative chairman of the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, said that the BBC had taken the correct decision. “It is the right thing to do to use this opportunity to expose the BNP for what it is,” he said.

Martin Salter, a senior Labour MP and leading campaigner against the BNP, described the BBC’s decision as lamentable. But he said that it made little sense for Labour to boycott the programme. “We have to deal with the world as it is,” Mr Salter said.

Labour is formally committed only to holding a review of its position, but a source made clear that it would field a representative. He said: “We are not going to have an empty chair.”

The search is now on for which minister to send to the programme. Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, has already signalled that he is unwilling to appear. An ally defended Mr Johnson’s position, saying that his departmental responsibilities made sharing a platform particularly difficult. Shahid Malik, the Dewsbury MP and Communities Minister, also declined to say whether he would accept an invitation to appear alongside Mr Griffin.

Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, is a possible candidate. “Jack’s personal view is that he takes on all comers when doing public meetings, but it’s a decision that has to be taken collectively,” a friend said.

It is understood that Question Time delayed sending an invitation to Mr Griffin because it feared that it would be seen as a reward for the BNP’s showing in the European elections.

The BBC has made clear internally that it wants the edition to be as routine as possible, with no changes to a format in which panellists answer questions on a wide range of topics.

It will almost certainly be filmed in London after managers voiced fears that it could become a focus for unrest if recorded near BNP strongholds in the Midlands and North West. The programme will vet the audience in the normal way.

The issue of the political mainstream’s relations with the BNP first surfaced this summer after Richard Barnbrook, a London Assembly member, was invited to a Buckingham Palace garden party.


Source: Times Online
hemme
Ahhh, hope the BNP get proper sussed on live shows if they go on, fucking cunts.
Keith Houchen
So the BBC have had a "Rethink" over coverage for the BNP. Is this the same BBC that have had Nick Griffin on many a show? The same BBC that showed a Party Election Broadcast for the BNP? What does the "rethink" include that they previously didn't anyway?
iansauluk
oh let them have their little spotlight because all it does is show up the evil racists they truely are - just make sure it's the bloke off the today programme doing the control of the programme and have him stuff them up!
The King Of Swing
I bet the audience at Nick's first QT will be filled with people of colour, immigrants (the legal kind) and Lib Dem supporters also I bet other MP's refuse to appear on the same show as him and the one and only BNP supporter in the audience will be a mong of epic proportions.

Either way it should be fun seeing Big Nick squirm though thats assuming that he can even get a word in.
Keith Houchen
QUOTE (iansauluk @ Sep 9 2009, 17:06) *
oh let them have their little spotlight because all it does is show up the evil racists they truely are - just make sure it's the bloke off the today programme doing the control of the programme and have him stuff them up!

Nah keep it Dimbles. I remember "When David Met Nick" first time.

Dimbles: "The BNP are opposed to same sex marriages"
Griffin: "No we're not opposed to same sex marriages"
Dimbles: "Well on your website it says you are"
Griffin: "It doesn't say that on our website at all"
Dimbles "Yes it does because I'm quoting directly from it now"
Griffin "..................Yes it does say that on our website but...."
(Studio guest off camera tries to stifle her laughter).
Kenny McBride
QUOTE (Keith Houchen @ Sep 9 2009, 16:54) *
So the BBC have had a "Rethink" over coverage for the BNP. Is this the same BBC that have had Nick Griffin on many a show? The same BBC that showed a Party Election Broadcast for the BNP? What does the "rethink" include that they previously didn't anyway?


It's not so much a "rethink" as it is a case of "not breaking the law." The rules say that during an election, every party that is standing in more than x percent of seats is entitled to a Party Election Broadcast and must be covered fairly during the election process itself. Had the BNP failed to net a seat, they'd probably have slipped back into the political ghetto until the next election, but as things stand, they are a significant (if small) player in the legitimate political representation of the British people now, and must be treated as such. If the BBC didn't invite them to participate, they'd have a strong case for legal action which would only turn them into bigger martyrs and get them more publicity of the wrong kind. I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.
Keith Houchen
Well that was pretty much the point I was making, Kenny.
The King Of Swing
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 17:14) *
but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


Thats pretty much my view on the BNP.

Most BNP supportes I come across are either unemployable (it's all them immigrants fault of course), shut ins who are afraid of their own shadow or chav scum who are probably too thick to vote anyway.

Of course not all BNP voters are complete thickos and I think many gained votes in the last set of elections were more down to protest then actual support.

As for Cameron I don't think he do will much if anything to improve things.
David
In other news, Gordon Brown keeps making the headlines;

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Gordon Brown declined to put formal pressure on Libya to get compensation for IRA victims, No 10 has confirmed.

The victims say Libya should pay compensation because it supplied the IRA with explosives used in atrocities.

Mr Brown told a victims' lawyer it was not "appropriate" to discuss the claims, but aides have denied he was trying to protect oil deals with Libya.

Democratic Unionist MP Jeffrey Donaldson said the PM had done far less for victims than US leaders had.

Mr Brown's office released a letter written by the prime minister to IRA victims' lawyer Jason McCue last October in which Mr Brown wrote that the government did not "consider it appropriate to enter into a bilateral discussion with Libya on this matter".

He added that Libya would be "strongly opposed to reopening the issue."

In an earlier letter dating from last September, the prime minister told Mr McCue that Libya was now an "essential partner" in the fight against terrorism and it was in the UK's interests for that co-operation to continue.

Mr McCue has been lobbying the government to raise the matter of compensation at the highest levels of the Libyan government.

His campaign follows out-of-court deals agreed by Libya with three American victims of IRA atrocities.

More than 100 UK IRA victims, who had been pursuing similar claims through the American courts, had been excluded from those deals.

Mr Donaldson told the BBC that the US government had "held the Libyans' feet to the fire" in order to win a multi-million pound settlement for its nationals.

"I want to know - and the victims are entitled to know - why Gordon Brown does not have the same desire to stand up for the victims of IRA terrorism as George Bush showed standing up for American victims," he said.

"He got a multi-million dollar deal in terms of compensation from the Libyans."

Mr Donaldson is part of a cross-party group of MPs preparing to travel to Tripoli for talks about compensation.

The victims' campaign has been boosted by the Scottish government's decision to free Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds.

The victims argue Libya should show similar compassion regarding their demands.

Colin Parry's 13-year-old son Tim was killed in Warrington in 1993 by an IRA bomb thought to be made from Libyan Semtex.

"It does make Britain look very, very weak and insignificant if, for reasons of worrying about oil deals or other economic considerations, this government of ours is prepared to disregard all the pain of the thousands of victims of IRA terrorist campaigns," he said.

"It isn't about the money. It's about Libya saying, 'We now want to be a normal state.'

"If that's the case then they've got to address the sins they committed in the past. The only way they can do that... is financially - to compensate those people their actions hurt so badly."

A Downing Street spokesman said the government had raised the issue of compensation with Libya informally but it was felt that formal negotiations stood little chance of success.

The Conservatives said the public needed to know "on what basis" the government had reached its decision not to press for compensation.

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague told Sky News: "These latest revelations are part of an ever-expanding farce, with more revelations really every day about how the government have conducted themselves.

"These latest revelations greatly strengthen the case we have made for an independent inquiry."


Source: BBC.com
JNLister
From Richard "Hitler Moustache" Herring:

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They are talking about me in the House of Commons. Well, a bloke who works in the House of Commons is talking about me, possibly whilst in the House of Commons. Tom Harris MP has written this blog calling for me to be on Question Time with my Hitler moustache, if, as they most surely must, allow Nick Griffin to go on the programme. It's an interesting proposition, though I am not sure I have the necessary knowledge or gravitas to pull it off. But I certainly think that Question Time should have Nick Griffin on their show. Not only was he democratically elected by the idiotic British public, but by silencing him one only shrouds him in mystery and makes him appear like some speaking maverick whose words are so scintillating that they can not be heard. Let him get up there and say whatever is in his tiny head, because if it's anything like anything else that the BNP have ever said it will be palpable, laughable nonsense and he can only make himself look like a prick. I have doubtless said this before but generally when people are silenced by a government or the church it is because what they are saying is true - Galileo springs to mind, as do the political prisoners around the world who are incarcerated for daring to criticise oppressive regimes or propose democracy. But the BNP have no such worthy or truthful purpose. Let them speak. What they say is wrong and their arguments fall apart under the smallest amount of examination. Are we worried that people might be stupid enough to be seduced by these lies? Perhaps they will be, but if you want democracy then you have to let stupid people have an equal say. It is up to the less feckless individuals to do their part and stop the fascists in their tracks. But we should let them speak or they gain a cachet that they don't deserve.

Freedom of speech allows all of us to have our say, providing we are not transgressing into the criminal and I think Nick Griffin should be questioned over and over again about his odious beliefs, on camera, if necessary sitting next to a man with a Hitler moustache, heiling everything he says.

For the moment, of course, I am moustacheless anyway. And now with a week's worth of stubble and beginning to look like myself again, which is a relief. If only a temporary one.
David
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 16:14) *
I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


I think one of the good things to come out of the BNP getting some airtime is the idea that perhaps the so-called legitimate politicians will be forced to answer some of the questions on immigration, Europe and human rights as well.

We all know that the BNP are never going to be major players when it comes to UK politics, but we can at least hope that their involvement will ensure that some real questions get put to these fools we have in charge at present.
hitman89762000
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 9 2009, 17:43) *
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 16:14) *
I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


I think one of the good things to come out of the BNP getting some airtime is the idea that perhaps the so-called legitimate politicians will be forced to answer some of the questions on immigration, Europe and human rights as well.

We all know that the BNP are never going to be major players when it comes to UK politics, but we can at least hope that their involvement will ensure that some real questions get put to these fools we have in charge at present.



just out of curiosity are you a bnp voter harry?


David
QUOTE (hitman89762000 @ Sep 9 2009, 17:45) *
just out of curiosity are you a bnp voter harry?


In all honesty, no.

I think the majority of political parties in the UK are a fucking joke.

I do find the current BNP situation interesting though, especially the reaction that their members and supporters get throughout the country, so i'd class myself more as an interested observer.
bobbins
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 9 2009, 18:43) *
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 16:14) *
I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


I think one of the good things to come out of the BNP getting some airtime is the idea that perhaps the so-called legitimate politicians will be forced to answer some of the questions on immigration, Europe and human rights as well.


Have you never watched Question Time?
David
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 22:43) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 9 2009, 18:43) *
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 16:14) *
I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


I think one of the good things to come out of the BNP getting some airtime is the idea that perhaps the so-called legitimate politicians will be forced to answer some of the questions on immigration, Europe and human rights as well.


Have you never watched Question Time?


Indeed I have.
bobbins
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 9 2009, 23:53) *
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 22:43) *
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 9 2009, 18:43) *
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 9 2009, 16:14) *
I've said it a million times, but the only way to defeat twats like Nick Griffin is to engage them in serious debate in the most public forum possible and show them up for the useless, ignorant cunts that they are.


I think one of the good things to come out of the BNP getting some airtime is the idea that perhaps the so-called legitimate politicians will be forced to answer some of the questions on immigration, Europe and human rights as well.


Have you never watched Question Time?


Indeed I have.

That's the show that forces legitimate politicians to answer questions on immigration, Europe and human rights every week.
David
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 23:02) *
That's the show that forces legitimate politicians to answer questions on immigration, Europe and human rights every week.


Really? You think that the BNP will face the same level of grilling that your typical Labour politician usually gets?

I'm hoping that the questions they put to the BNP will then lead to the other guests being asked more pressing questions, not the usual shit.
bobbins
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 10 2009, 0:08) *
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 23:02) *
That's the show that forces legitimate politicians to answer questions on immigration, Europe and human rights every week.


Really? You think that the BNP will face the same level of grilling that your typical Labour politician usually gets?

I'm hoping that the questions they put to the BNP will then lead to the other guests being asked more pressing questions, not the usual shit.

Be honest now. Have you really ever seen Question Time? The show where Labour politicians in particular get a thorough grilling on the toughest issues of the day, week after week. It's about as tough as it gets without turning into some Jeremy Kyle uncivilised mess.
David
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 23:19) *
Be honest now. Have you really ever seen Question Time? The show where Labour politicians in particular get a thorough grilling on the toughest issues of the day, week after week. It's about as tough as it gets without turning into some Jeremy Kyle uncivilised mess.


I won't say that i'm an "avid" viewer, but i've seen it on more than a few occasions.

I still stick by my prediction that the knives will be particularly sharp when the BNP come to town.

I'm just saying that I would hope that their fellow guests will be met with the same level of questioning.
Rave on Jimmy
On Question Time do they have to stick to current affairs or can they question a particular guest? I'd love someone to bring up Nick Griffins comments like these... "Some unfortunate people suffer from homosexuality so we will just have to tolerate them." and in homage to the upcoming gay pride parades "I call it gay shame, a freak show, revolting." So I hope one of these "AIDS Monkeys" or "bum bandits" (as the BNP Director of Publicity so delightfully called homosexuals) calls him on these comments and watch him squirm in his seat.

David
QUOTE (Rave on Jimmy @ Sep 9 2009, 23:33) *
On Question Time do they have to stick to current affairs or can they question a particular guest? I'd love someone to bring up Nick Griffins comments like these... "Some unfortunate people suffer from homosexuality so we will just have to tolerate them." and in homage to the upcoming gay pride parades "I call it gay shame, a freak show, revolting." So I hope one of these "AIDS Monkeys" or "bum bandits" (as the BNP Director of Publicity so delightfully called homosexuals) calls him on these comments and watch him squirm in his seat.


I'm sure that any time he's involved with this type of thing it'll be a total hatchet job.

Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (Rave on Jimmy @ Sep 9 2009, 23:33) *
On Question Time do they have to stick to current affairs or can they question a particular guest? I'd love someone to bring up Nick Griffins comments like these... "Some unfortunate people suffer from homosexuality so we will just have to tolerate them." and in homage to the upcoming gay pride parades "I call it gay shame, a freak show, revolting." So I hope one of these "AIDS Monkeys" or "bum bandits" (as the BNP Director of Publicity so delightfully called homosexuals) calls him on these comments and watch him squirm in his seat.


I believe that questions have to relate to issues, they don't have to be totally current but the question has to refer to an issue rather than a panel members viewpoint, and have to be addressed to all the people present rather than an individual.

Question Time died when they had that dickwit Emma Jones on.
The King Of Swing
I just wish they would get Charlie Brooker on the show.
Steveo2007
Dimbleby would be great as he just provides the rope and would allow Griffin to hang himself.
The King Of Swing
I loved it when Dimbleby told that Starky(sp?) gimp to shut up earlier in the year.
David
The thing is, have the BNP really got anything to lose by appearing on shows like this?

The people who vote for them on a regular basis as unlikely to be the type who tune in to Question Time, are they?
The King Of Swing
Chances are Nick will just be heckled every time he attempts to speak.

Best case scenario is that the fence sitters and protest voters will finally get to see him for the cretin that he is and worst case he his singled out so much and given so little chance to speak that people will see him as some sort of victim.
David
QUOTE (The King Of Swing @ Sep 10 2009, 13:49) *
Chances are Nick will just be heckled every time he attempts to speak.

Best case scenario is that the fence sitters and protest voters will finally get to see him for the cretin that he is and worst case he his singled out so much and given so little chance to speak that people will see him as some sort of victim.


Indeed.

It'll be virtually impossible to give him a "fair crack" so to speak, as the crowd won't have it, and the other politicians won't either.

In doing so they will lose the chance to basically say to everyone "see? That's the kind of policy they bring to the table".

I could be wrong though, but I can't see it going down any other way.

Everyone will be looking for the chance to show themselves as the outraged, right-thinking human being who can't stand to share a platform with someone so nasty that they will totally ignore the bigger picture.
The King Of Swing
Well at least Labour will be off the hook for one week I guess biggrin.gif

Tory Eric Pickles getting savaged is till amongst my favortie moments though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MrFV4c_sVY

Like a job in other words
Kenny McBride
QUOTE (hardcore_harry @ Sep 10 2009, 0:22) *
QUOTE (bobbins @ Sep 9 2009, 23:19) *
Be honest now. Have you really ever seen Question Time? The show where Labour politicians in particular get a thorough grilling on the toughest issues of the day, week after week. It's about as tough as it gets without turning into some Jeremy Kyle uncivilised mess.


I won't say that i'm an "avid" viewer, but i've seen it on more than a few occasions.

I still stick by my prediction that the knives will be particularly sharp when the BNP come to town.

I'm just saying that I would hope that their fellow guests will be met with the same level of questioning.


Yeah, but that's because while I may disagree vehemently with numerous Labour and Tory policies, I accept that they have some legitimate basis in reality and humanity. Nick Griffin is a lunatic racist scumbag. He deserves a far greater degree of aggressive questioning because his policies, attitudes, public statements, aims and goals are either inhuman, wrong or both.
David
QUOTE (Kenny McBride @ Sep 10 2009, 14:26) *
Nick Griffin is a lunatic racist scumbag. He deserves a far greater degree of aggressive questioning because his policies, attitudes, public statements, aims and goals are either inhuman, wrong or both.


Fantastic idea. We will likely follow up that "aggressive questioning" that is reserved only for him by having various members of the crowd shout & jeer when he speaks.

The result will be a television show featuring the presenters, fellow guests and crowd all heckling one man.

I'm sure that will show him up for the "lunatic racist scumbag" that he is, and will definately make sure that the public don't feel any kind of sympathy for him or his party.
The King Of Swing
I have to agree with harry on this.

At the end of the day if we cannot act in a civilised manner and allow even a cretin like Nick to have his say (he was elected in a democratic election plain and simple) then we have no moral high ground at all and will just end up giving ammo to likes of Nick and his ilk.
Joe_the_Lion
QUOTE (The King Of Swing @ Sep 10 2009, 15:00) *
I have to agree with harry on this.

At the end of the day if we cannot act in a civilised manner and allow even a cretin like Nick to have his say (he was elected in a democratic election plain and simple) then we have no moral high ground at all and will just end up giving ammo to likes of Nick and his ilk.


The problem is you are agreeing with a statement where Harry seems to be replying to statements that he has made up in his head. None of what Harry posted actually links back to the post made by Kenny.
The King Of Swing
Regardless of his post linking back to Kenny or not I happen to agree with the point he is obviously making that simply shouting down Nick will not help matters at all.
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