"Oh, I WOULD LOVE TO THROW A FUCK INTO HER..."

The Wire. FTW.

Cancelled, sadly. Well, I say sadly, by the end of its run the status quo had been restored, meaning it was the same characters in the same positions they were in at the end of the first episode. There's only so much of that people can stand before its ratings drop and it gets cancelled. Look at "The Wire", justifiably lauded as the cleverest and best TV show ever made. It told a story, its characters went on journeys and it was unafraid to change things around. It didn't just go "hey, what if the murderer worked in a honey factory this week?". No matter how good a show is (Bryan Fuller does this a lot - Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me) if it doesn't get cracking and go somewhere, it risks losing viewers.

"Monk" is the only show I can think that has dodged this particular bullet, but that's more that it's a "Murder She Wrote" for the hipster generation.

Season 2 of Dexter is really really good, watch both. Dirty Sexy Money got cancelled midway through the second season I think so I only watched a few episodes of the second season, season 1 was good, it's a light comedy not too serious.

I'm currently watching...

House Season 1
The Wire Season 3
The Shield Season 4
Up to date with My Name is Earl
Nearly up to date with Prison Break
Entourage Season 2
CSI Season 1

I don't remember S2 that much, other than that it was a bit of a mess. S3, though, has some of the worst dialogue ever. The story is still quite fun in parts but the dialogue is hideous. Has it always been this bad? I can't remember.

But yeah, Kristin Bell is looking mighty fine, although still only the 2nd hottest girl on the show (Maya )





Freaks and Geeks is great.. I would describe it as heartwarming. Teenage me is totally in love with the girl in that show.

Also speaking of 6ft Under, I just watched the first episode of True Blood the other day. I knew within the first minute that I would at leat be watching the first few episdoes because it was funny, and featured good music and nudity.

I haven't fully formed an opinion on it yet, but it definitely left me wanting to know more after the first episode so that's a good sign...

Strange, I thought I read the Wikipedia page recently and didn't mention that it had been canceled. You're right though, unsurprisingly. I really liked it as a concept but I can see that you're right about the characters generally not going anywhere. This was particularly true for the first season, although the second season was really starting to go somewhere with Chuck's dad, the Pie Maker's dad and Emmersons daughter. Not to mention the ongoing saga of Olive's feelings for the Pie Maker and various happenings with the aunts. Overall I would say it's sad it got canceled because there's clearly more that could be done with the characters and whilst things were moving slowly, they were definitely moving.


Is said nudity anything to do with the girl who played Rogue? I'm intrigued if so. I'd be more intrigued if he'd gotten Lauren Ambrose to play the character as I'd much rather see her get her kit off. Although I can see she might want to distance herself from Six Feet Under and also from more troubled characters. A sitcom with Parker Posey was clearly the only possible choice to stop any sort of type casting going on there...

Nip/Tuck does get pretty crazy at times, but it's good crazy. And it was a serial rapist, not a serial killer, so it's even better...

Second new episode is out tomorrow.

Said nudity isn't, but before the first series is over......

Season 2 reasonably cheap: http://www.bangcd.com/productDetail.aspx?prod_id=7646

Lark Rise To Candleford. Good stuff.

*POST CONTAINS HEROES SEASON 2 SPOILERS FOR ANYONE WHO IS AS FAR BEHIND AS ME*.

Wow, Season 2 of Heroes is totally absurd already. Watched the first few episodes and, well, it's certainly different.

Mr. Sark is the legendary samurai from Hiro's childhood tales? Whaa? Also when I saw "I does what I sees on telly" lady watching Rey Misterio I feared a serious moment of shark-jumpery. I cringed pretty hard when she gave that armed robber a 619. Jesus.

Mr. Bennett working in the paper industry now is amusing, and he's still pleasingly bad-ass about it. Parkman and Mohinder should totally hook up and let Molly have two daddies on a more formal level. Claire and West (WEST??!?) is sickening but also kind of sweet. I know I know. Sylar's return is intriguing, I'm bored of Maya and her brother already. Maya is really quite beautiful though, spot on there Rockwell.

Oh, and Irish accents lol. I was prepared for bad, but fucking hell they're SO bad. "Alroight laahhhds, TURD ROW BACK". Also, is the black guy in their group English or what? So many Americans take a great deal of pride in their Irish heritage, is there no one who can do a passable accent? Also, why not get some Irish folk? Was it really that much of a strain? Worst accents I've heard since Green Street. Apparently the guy who plays Ricky is from Nebraska but attended school in Ireland, so his accent might be a natural blend he's acquired that sounds ridiculous, but it's really bad to listen to. Caitlin's accent is also not good.

Disappointed at Candice's death, though if Missy Peregrym () wasn't going to play her any more (presumably because she got a major role in Reaper?) then she would lose a lot of her appeal.

Sylar's return is one of the few things that interests me at the minute. Poor Derek.

By teenage you, I sort of assumed you meant you now but without admitting to fancying a teenager Having watched it, however, I totally see where you're coming from. She's the sort of girl I would have totally fallen for when I was that age. Plus, she's played by Sam from ER who I've always had a thing for.

Anyway, onto the series itself. I'm only 4 episodes in but I'm quite enjoying it so far. It seems to me to basically be "Dazed & Confused: The Series" which isn't what I was expecting. Mind you, I didn't know anything about it before going in but expected it to be more along the lines of a modern day sit-com. The format works well though and all the characters are very believable. As much as I'm sure some things are exaggerated for the sake of good television, I'm sure it's a fairly accurate representation of what it was like growing up in suburban middle America in the early 80's. The interrelationships between the characters, especially the the main characters and their friends is spot on and a lot of it has reminded me of my own school years.

Plus, Thomas F Wilson~!

I did have a strange hankering to start watching the second season of Dexter last night though so I may end up watching that as well...

The latest episode had a male breast cancer patient getting pity sex from a lesbian, a guy getting a blowjob from a woman who turned out to be a man and another guy getting shaved and put in a nappy by his girlfriend. Like I said, good crazy.

To clarify, Mary Louise Parker nudity? Because I now love her.

Watched the first five episodes. Initially liked the opening theme song and then hated it by the third episode. Other than that I love it so far. Witty, light-hearted but with dark and twisted humour and some pleasingly touching moments as well. Good stuff.

I think that's the best thing about the show. How it doesn't try and be cool and use wanky hip-language (see Skins) but doesn't do the typical over-the-top 'geek' comedy thing. I expected a puerile, laugh-a-minute show, and was disappointed at first, but as it progresses you really appreciate it not being that way. There is one story later in the series that I don't want to spoil but it goes perfectly against the unbeliveable 'fairytale' type ending cliche but ironically makes the show all the more 'heart-warming' (I agree with Chesty on that).

I've pretty much ignored any and all tv drama so I'm making AN '09 EFFORT to watch some. Got the West Wing set for Christmas (only a quid a disc for 44 discs) then I'll probably get The Sopranos deluxe set after, and by 2012 I'll get stuck into The Wire as I hear it's not too shabby. The West Wing is shaping up well as I near the end of the first season. Suppose the great thing about a presidential drama is they manage to touch on so many of big, important topics (racism without it seeming contrived. Similar to The Thick of It (though not demonstrated in quite a watermelon + sledgehammer way) it shows the dangerous, frustrating nature of 'spin', the weight placed on image management. Also, Rob Lowe is so dreamy .

I've caught the first two episodes of the CH4 show John Adams about the US founding father of the same name. It's kind of more educational for me as I'm quite ignorant to that part of history. Shows (until now at least) how principled a man he was and how that led him from a passive man to one of the more radical voices in the independence struggle. Great to see the other big names introducedn (Ben Franklin is an exceptional character- wise, humorous) and passing references to what would become huge turning points (e.g. that trouble dumping tea in the harbour).

I'm not a nature buff or anything but have been steadily making my way through the Planet Earth series. If anyone has a blu-ray dvd player buy this. Absolutely spectacular images (refuse to even single out examples as there are so many), simple enough for the layman yet so easily keeps your attention and interest. Surely one of the BBC's finest achievements.

Elsewhere, Sealab 2021, with it's wonderfully-defiant lengthy 'still' scenes is edging Harvey Birdman off it's perch (sorry) as my favourite Adult Swim show. The Office US is incredible as ever.

'Babies are one of my many areas of expertise. Growing up I performed my own circumcision.'

Been eating my way through the Complete Black Books DVD boxset I got for Christmas but never have had the chance to watch up until now. Fucking top quality stuff all around. The revelation in the final episode was fantastic. Any time Bernard's overexagerated hygine habits come into play are amazing too.

Make more episodes. Now.

I read an interview with the actor who played the black gang member, who also appeared in Lost as Ekos brother.
He was asked to play a black Irish gang member and turned around to the writers and asked them if they had ever met or spoke with a black guy with an Irish accent.
The writers then decided his character would be a friend of the gang from England but obviously the character was never given enough screen time to explain his past.

Loving the repeats of Not Going Out on BBC 1 on a Friday night so I was well please to hear that a new series starts in a couple of weeks. Whoop Whoop !!

Enjoyed Plus One on Channel 4 last night, pretty funny. Seen the lead actor in something else before on bbc 3 I think, set in Blackpool which was quite dark so interesting to see him play a full on comedy part.

Lovin Only Fools and Horses on GOLD , I didn't really watch it a lot first time around apart from the Xmas specials.

Up to season 3 of the Wire now. My lass is away for next weekend so I'm planning to pick up season 4-5 through the week and have a marathoon next weekend. Good times!

Can anyone give me a heads up for the cheapest place to pick up the boxsets from?

I think she was about 20 something when she did freaks and geeks.

I think you are talking about Funland, which was a rather dark series from a few years back.

Plus One is really quite fun, both episodes so far have been really good and it is good to see Duncan from Blue sending himself up. Worth a watch if you have not seen it yet.

Yes that's the one Funland, don't know what else he has been in.

Cheers for the info on the black guy in Ricky's gang. So he's supposed to be English. I see. I got that he was going for that, but it did not sound good at all.



Enjoyed the light-hearted comedy of Hiro getting repeatedly shovelled in the head.
HEROES SEASON 3 SPOILERS

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Nine episodes into season three of Heroes now. Sticking with it. Really really sick of Peter fucking Petrelli. Hated him since the first season and still do now. Such a whiny bitch with his ludicrous facial expressions and constant angst. Awful man. Thankfully they've found an excuse to keep Linderman going and thus I get my Malcom Macdowell fix. He's awesome. Also you couldn't really come up with a better role for Jaime Hector than a guy who gets stronger when people around him are scared. Quite an inspired choice of power for him.


The battle for Sylar's soul is fairly interesting, definitely one of the most engaging characters and I've always thought Zachary Quinto to be excellent in the role. Never know quite what's going on behind those magnificent giant eyebrows.

Apocalyptic visions of the future are getting a bit old now if I'm honest. I always found the problem of Sylar in the here and now to be more interesting than the bomb scenario in season 1, and I think it'd be more fun to see everyone deal with Arthur Petrelli and his posse of supervillains without the tedious "I have to defeat him to save the world... I SAW IT IN MY DREAM" bullshit. I like that Meredith's accent has totally vanished by the way. She ain't no Texan no more. Boy howdy. Trivia: The guy who plays her brother (lol he makes flames from his hands and he's called FLINT lol) is actually Fulham striker Andy Johnson.

Shame they killed off the David Anders character, I always enjoy his work. I presume he disintegrated because once Arthur stole his ability his body realised that he's over 400 years old? Or does Arthur have the power to dust people as well? He seems to have the power to do just about everything. Bit dull really.

Absolutely loved the stuff with the puppeteer dude. That whole scenario was creepy as hell. Must say, if I had Claire and Meredith under my absolute control I'd be inclined to do something decidedly more lewd than make them play a sick variation of Russian Roulette. I don't know if that makes me better or worse than the guy from the show. I'm thinking worse actually. Oh dear. Much worse.

Anyway yeah, that whole sequence was fun and I like the way they got out of it.

It's a shame the Jesse character didn't last long. His ability was fun and he was played by Francis Capra, which meant that there were two Veronica Mars representatives in the show for a couple of episodes. This pleased me.

I liked that woman Angela Petrelli brought in to feed Sylar. This is Weenie McLame, she has the ability to touch an object and see its entire history. In fairness it'd be quite handy for antiques and perhaps for murder weapons if she went down the detective route, but seriously... bwahahaha! How shit is that? She almost deserves to have her head popped for that piece of crap "power". It reminded me of Meg from family guy where she has the power to grow her finger nails really fast. They should have more rubbish ones. This is Susie Von Dryhead, when she washes her hair, she can will it to dry in SECONDS if she focuses her mind. And Sylar can be all "Erm, I'll pass. Good luck with that".

Mohinder's transformation into Eugene Tooms was very silly. I like how Mr. Bennet (Will not call him Noah ) explained it away as if he was making fun of the writers.

"What's he doing in there???"

"I dunno. Making a nest? Who knows"

Then they just don't speak of it again. I'm guessing they were going somewhere with that and then thought better of it.

What else what else? Oh yeah, BUBBLES~! Awesome. Cool power too. His apparent suicide was a bit anticlimactic because of how fast it happens though.

Shame they killed Bob. I liked Bob. He was difficult to read and could make things that weren't gold before into gold now. Handy indeed.

I'm invested in it now so I'll keep following it until I can't physically bring myself to watch it any more. I'm glad they totally forgot about Kaitlin, she was beyond rubbish.



Watched the entire first season of Weeds. Loved it. Brilliant show, I need more of it. Mary Louise Parker, wow. The end of season cliffhanger was tremendous. I hope she gets together with Conrad, at least for a time. He's a guy of dudes in the main. Liked him in 40 year old Virgin too. Celia and her husband are hilarious. Sanjay is basically me if I somehow encountered Nancy. And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.... Damn song. Get out of my brain.

Speaking of Heroes season 3 - does anyone know what's happened to it on BBC2? It was being shown on Wednesday nights but disappeared just before Christmas. I assumed it would be back after the festive schedules but I've seen no sign of it yet. The last episode I saw didn't seem like a season finale:


Have I missed something?

Agree with you both. Even the actor who played mini Den in Eastenders has been funny in it so far. Good to see Big Suze from Peep Show in a selection of skimpy outfits in Friday's episode as well.

It took a Christmas break in the US as alot of other shows have aswell. I read that it will start again on BBC2 sometime in February, although not sure if the exact date has been confirmed.

I haven't seen Plus One, but I have seen the lead actor in the advert for it. He was also in a dark drama last year on Channel 4. It was a court case, he was acting infront of a real life jury, it was a rape case and the jury had to decide what happened. Did anyone see this? It was good and interesting with the jury.

Thanks. The same thing happened with The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but I heard the announcement for that one.

I love Big Suze, I would give my left nut to spend some sexy time with both of the Winkleman sisters


In regards to Plus One, i'm guessing that he ends up copping off with the girl from his work. She is super fine !!

I need a cold shower

Been watching Breaking Bad, and must say for anyone who has not see it, it is absolutely amazing.

Bryan Cranston as Walter White is an inspiring choice and just re-inforces what I though of him all along being an extremely good actor. It's about a Science teacher who finds out he has inoperable lung cancer and decides that in order to guarantee his families financial future after he's gone must make and sell Crystal Meth.

It's very gritty, sometimes a bit too realistic looking and just overall brilliant. I would highly recommend it to anyone with free will.

I keep checking the TV guide for Heroes, thought it was due back on last week.

FAO Just Me (Heroes S3 spoilers):

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I just watched that episode you mentioned Just Me. It was the season finale.

The stuff at Primatech was fairly season finale-ish to me, as in the iconic company facility got completely destroyed by an overloading Meredith. Also, the fact that Peter, Knox and Flint destroyed the entire Pinehearst lab at the same time, Arthur Petrelli died and the only working batch of the formula was also destroyed is pretty final.

It also led to set-up moments for the next season. Nathan and Peter to become full-on adversaries, Ando has his new ability and Tracy has allied herself with Mohinder.

Also, at the end of the episode it does the usual season ender: "End of volume 3" and then starts volume 4. It has Nathan Petrelli talking to the president and handing him files on many of the Heroes we've met so far. It details their powers, likely locations and has photos and other information about them. Nathan says that he wants the government's help to round them all up and lock them away in a facility to stop them endangering society. The president says he'll get him whatever he needs.

Pinehearst and The Company are now destroyed. Two organisations that at least had an understanding of those with powers and at times tried to help them are now dead, and Nathan has government backing to hunt them down. As such, Volume 4 is called "fugitives".

Are you sure you didn't just miss the last five minutes or something?

I should really watch that episode. It's the only one of the series I missed. The penultimate epsiode was probably the best of the series up to that point, and this one sounds like a lot happened..

It has been fun times. I just hate Peter Petrelli SO MUCH. Don't ever trust him to do anything important ever. He might do it in the end, but best believe he'll take thirty times longer than the average person because he has to way up all the ISSUES in his ANGST-RIDDEN head and make his PAINED EXPRESSIONS before GETTING ON WITH IT.

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Spoiler: He goes to kill Arthur Petrelli but can't do it because he's a massive bottling pissy-pants wiener. Haitian has Arthur's powers neutralised because he's a fucking bad-ass who gets shit done. He's struggling like crazy to do this because Petrelli is god-like in his powers. He's sweating, he's trembling, but he manages to hold Papa Petrelli's powers for a good couple of minutes.

Little Petey has his gun pointed at Arthur's head the whole fucking time, doing his trembly angst face as the Haitian begs him to hurry the hell up. Haitian had already offered to do it for him when they were driving over to the place because he knows that Peter is a little bitch, but Pete was all "NO, your brother was your responsibility, this is mine". Difference is, whilst Baron Samedi tried to reason with the Haitian and draw out his angsty-issues by using the "we're family!" line, Haitian was all "that doesn't work on me, die motherfucker!". Peter on the other hand, takes so sodding long that Arthur is able to break free of the hold and stop the bullet by the time he shoots. Luckily Sylar turns up, and he too is a man of dudes and is able to get the job done. OK Sylar has parental issues, but now that he has human lie detector lady's powers (the scene where he killed her was BAD-ASS by the way), you best believe Papa Petrelli has to pay dearly for lying to him.

Sylar and Haitian (and Nathan actually) are winners, Peter is not.

Sylar shouldn't have killed Kristen Bell though. She was totally into him. If she was totally into me I wouldn't cut her head open. I'd let her cut my head open if she asked though. Just sayin'. She wouldn't though because she's a vegetarian and would find it all icky to cut my head open. I'm digressing into nonsense now, this isn't even a spoiler any more. Thanks for reading.

Oh yeah, and it pisses me off that they killed Knox. Need to keep an eye out for Jaime Hector's next project.

Ugh.

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I'd completely forgotten about that last scene being the start of Volume 4. Of course it was the finale. DUH.

Totally agree about Peter too.

My thoughts on Heroes season 3:-

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGH!!!

Yep, that pretty much covers it.

Season 1 was, barring the dreadful first and last episodes, magnificent TV. Season 2 went off the rails and, obviously, ended prematurely. Season 3 was just utter piss.

How, in such a relatively short space of time can you take one of the best shows on TV and make it one of the worst? The writing is appalling, the logic violations boggle my mind and, much like JLM, I just want to smash Peter "Little Nicky" Petrelli's stupid fucking face in.

Anyway, who's following Battlestar?

Back of the line, pal. But yeah, it's impossible not to love her from watching that series. And yes, there is indeed some nudity involving her to come. I thought there might have been some in the first season, actually. There's definitely some in the fourth though


She was 19 which makes her a couple of years old than the character she was portraying. My point still stands though, whilst she's definitely cute, her character is anchored in the realms of teenage girl which just really isn't appealing when you're a bit older. Much like Hage though, my teenage self would have fallen totally and spaffingly in love with her.

My god I can't wait for that. CEX had season 2 for £15 when I went in yesterday, but the goon behind the counter couldn't find it within 15 seconds and thus decided "we don't have it, sorry mate". Useless lump.

Got the Flight of the Conchords Series 1 DVD for Christmas which I've been enjoying.
"I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that perchance? Steve..."

Glad to see that it's general consensus that Peter Petrelli is a complete fucking weiner.

I watched the first episode of The Corner last night. Let me start by saying it was definitely good....

But. It is odd to see it now, as it was a precursor to The Wire, and it was hard not to compare it to The Wire whilst watching it. Especially as it had a few Wire actors in it - Lester, Sydnor, and the fat guy that looks at porn all day.

Lester Freamon as a dopefiend?! Sheeeeit!

Anyway, I look forward to continuing to watch it, and will no doubt be back in here with a more fully formed opinion once I have.

The music was as good as you would expect it to be.

Has anyone seen the latest episode of House yet and can tell me whether it was any good?

Currently downloading and was just curious.

Oh and Battlestar Galactica has caught my attention recently and although I haven't been watching the episodes in any linear fashion, the odd episode I've caught here and there have been great.

Well Id say Doctor Who is a good series.

Me too! Kinda......

I watched the first 5 minutes of it then decided I was far too tired to watch the rest and switched it off, may watch it a the weekend though.

Can't imagine Lester as a fiend. He's a fine actor though so I'm sure he nails it.

Weeds box sets are £9.99 on Play, so I'm quite glad the useless CEX guy didn't find it for me yesterday. Pay day tomorrow, I will be bagging me many a box set.

Don't really want to start a new thread over this but feel we need a wide opinion on it! The new season of Lost is starting tonight in the US and the new season of 24 started 2 weeks ago! Obviously we have people watching one or both of these shows and so have discussion threads for both! The one thing that bothers me is the fact that the 24 thread is UK pace with US pace spoilers in spoiler tags, where as the Lost thread is the other way around! Maybe it's me being anal, but does this strike anyone else as not making any sense? I'd be worried that some one would go from the 24 thread after watching on Sky one knowing that thread is safe for them as the spoilers from the US airing are hidden, and would then go into the Lost thread thinking exactly the same! Obviously there is no need for two threads for each show, but surely in the interest of userbility we would be better having some form of consistency?

Anyone else have any thoughts or am I just being anal?

Start with the miniseries and watch the whole lot. It's The West Wing with space battles. The characters are all flawed in properly human ways and have the kind of intertwining relationships that you can't really latch onto by just watching an episode here or there. It's well worth the time and investment.

To be honest yeah I pretty much agree, as an avid follower of both I watch at Sky pace on both shows. i only ever download or watch show via stream site, that are a good few months worth or waiting away. Such as Dexter season 3 for example.

So yeah I don't think you're being anal...And if you are, we're anal together oooeeer

Thanks! I'm not necessarily saying that these threads should be at Sky pace, just that there should be some sort of consistency for threads of this type! If that means all at US pace then so be it!

So, just a question, but what the fuck is Kozlov doing in The Wire?

Fucking bizarre.

I'm halfway through season 2, and to JLM, you were right in predicting how much I would enjoy this show. I've only found one episode I held a problem with, and that was episode 1 of season 2. I understand that it is supposed to be gritty, realistic and whatnot. But, this episode nailed it so much that it was near-on unwatchable. I can understand why the actors, the crew, the writers, the director etc would derive great pleasure from this episode as it nailed their objective square on the money. The problem is, as a viewer, it was the equivalent of a consumer buying a CD, running home, listening to it and proclaiming 'This album, right, it's the closest thing to not actually listening to music without having to actually not listen to music'.

It's clearly Omar for the win though. What a character.

I enjoyed the most recent Fringe as much as i did Lost. Really liking that programme.

You can download all of S1 (up to 11 or 12 so far) on mininova with all files having more seeds then peers, so quick downloads.